[Liminality]

How can you reason with a person who says this? x_x I don't know how to help if they think in black and white like that...

Essentially how do you give advice to an INTJ?

[InvisibleJim]

Break it down to the core pieces of evidence. Discuss the building blocks. The intuitive models may cause an INTJ to auto-assume an answer when it is wrong to do so because it 'looks like' a problem they have solved before.

[Grey]

The pitfall of every INTJ, I'd say. Aside from what InvisibleJim said, it all depends on the person you're talking to, but in INTJ terms...

• Explain everything, logically and with reason. That doesn't mean all mechanically, but at least show the reasons of 'why' rather than it all being 'just because'.
• This varies by person to person, but I have to say: don't ramble, if you must. If your 'speech' is long, you might think to give your INTJ person time to interject, question, and explain their own opinion here and there. Just don't let the topic derail.

It's not much, but InvisibleJim said most of the important points on the matter. Good luck, if this is an actual situation.

[Liminality]

Ahh, I have a tendancy to write long essays -_-;.

I've lost sense of what we're actually talking about now, they're exceedingly blunt, I'm exceedingly long winded, they're black and white and I'm all shades of grey.

They say things I've not mentioned in the whole ccourse of the conversation, and omitt things I kind've need to know. It's beyond confusing me on what they're trying to get at, or want me to get at. I just don't know what they want me to saaaaayyy. It's like 2+2=16, and it's gone on all day and I'm tired and confused and they're not replying, ehh.

Thanks for the advice guys. Seriously, thankyou TT_TT.

[Grey]

[...] Thanks for the advice guys. Seriously, thankyou TT_TT.

Well, just remember to be patient, and not specifically take offense at your friend, unless your friend is has jerk tendencies over their INTJ preferences. If you're having trouble obtaining all the information you need, just ask them point blank what they think you need to know, and if you feel you have a situation, how both you and your friend can work to solve it. That's short, blunt, and your friend might actually reciprocate if you're straightforward.

[Liminality]

I think they're...okay now (that was unexpected), they've not replied but are commenting to random stuff on facebook...Okay...well...one day I'll understand the workings of their mind..one...possibly non existent day. *flumps to the floor and starts drooling*

"unless your friend is has jerk tendencies over their INTJ preferences."

Naw, they're pretty cool, and exceedingly INTJ, not a jerk :), just....confusing...and a little bit high maintenance...I think...maybe...

[knght990]

Explain yourself directly, as if you were Hemingway. Minimalist.
Don't argue the point or youll put them on the offensive/aggressive must defend my opinion even if im wrong.
If they agree with you, the next time you talk about it they'll magically agree with you as if it was their idea.
A trait with some INTJs is to assume that you know what they know and thus will start talking in the middle of a thought. (missing details) Then will seem annoyed that they have to explain these details to you. There isn't much you can do about this except point out that you didn't know that and some details would have been nice. But this will annoy the INTJ as they don't want to waste time explaining everything.
If they are annoyed with you over something they will give you the cold shoulder. If it persists they will just ignore you, if they get over it, they will re-associate with you eventually.
Peace offerings are always good, but remember the INTJ will be searching for the alterior motive.

It's one set of possible parameters anyway.

[ThatName]

Try your very hardest to see past the "snobiness" and get to the heart of the matter.

[ChaosEqualsFun]

I tend to bypass this by dramatically flailing and telling them why their logic is flawed. Appealing to reason is always the easiest way.