[Deagalman]

The Cougar ESTP describes the INTJ as an arse-licking Toadie, whereas the INTP is a lazy Toadie.



"Toady" redirects here. See also, Todi.
In a modern context a sycophant (from the Greek συκοφάντης sykophántēs) is a servile person who, acting in his or her own self-interest, attempts to win favor by flattering one or more influential persons, or by saying lies against a fellow citizen for gaining a kind of profit. These actions are executed at the cost of his or her own personal pride, principles, and peer respect. Such a manner is also called obsequiousness.
In ancient Greece the word was the Athenian counterpart of the Roman delator, a public informer. In modern Greek the term has retained its ancient classical meaning, and is still used to describe a slanderer or a calumniator.

Sycophancy=Corporate America

[Arion]

Hmm.
I have a lot of J characteristics, but unfortunately I am quite a procrastinator. That is, unless I get to do a project I;m really interested in. But math... eh, not so much...

[Perseus]

I use logic creatively and I think INTP's use it strictly. But I could have this backwards. Can I get some Ti clarification on this?

Logic is a series of syllogisms: it cannot be used creatively, unless you are describing the arrangement or composition as expansionist rather than reductionist.

So the difference is between

Reductionist = Amazing TJ
Expansionist = Creative TP

[AmberJorr]

Hmm.
I have a lot of J characteristics, but unfortunately I am quite a procrastinator. That is, unless I get to do a project I;m really interested in. But math... eh, not so much...

I am also quite lazy. Laziness is not solely the prerogative of the INTPs. INTJs can be plenty lazy too, especially about things that are unimportant to them. INTJs are hard working and devoted to their projects, but if the work isn't interesting or challenging, procrastination rears its ugly head.

[Ben]

INTJs seem more confident of themselves than INTPs. An INTJ (my dad, for example) wouldn't mind boasting about himself to his kids if he knows that he really is a "humble, good, hardworking" person.

Or maybe that's just my dad...

[KingKong]

Logic is a series of syllogisms: it cannot be used creatively, unless you are describing the arrangement or composition as expansionist rather than reductionist.

So the difference is between

Reductionist = Amazing TJ
Expansionist = Creative TP

Correct. INTJ's are more creative in language though. INTP's are direct and to the point while INTJ's are commonly metaphorical.

[Femme]

Correct. INTJ's are more creative in language though. INTP's are direct and to the point while INTJ's are commonly metaphorical.

I would have to disagree with your second statement. Metaphorical speech is commonly related to intuitives in general. In addition, being direct and to the point is not the antithesis of figurativeness.

If we're on the subject of directness, INTJ's certainly dominate in that category (in comparison to INTP's). This, however, is only my observation thus far.

[Perseus]

Correct. INTJ's are more creative in language though. INTP's are direct and to the point while INTJ's are commonly metaphorical.

I have been banned from a forum for speaking in a metaphorical language the INTJ Moderator did not understand.

When I was younger, I had a lot of trouble with metaphors and slang. I put this down as not being brought up with a television culture and I did not know the modern idioms.

[Unbiased]

In my opinion both MBTI and Enneagram (I mention these typing systems, 'cause I'm most familiar with them), are quite different from astrology, not only because they are based on observation and analysis, as opposed to random chance of birth, but also, because they are accurate.

Out of these two, I think MBTI offers more structure, such as cognitive functions building up a personality pattern, based on their dominance, traits defined as oposites, which can be quantitatively measured, clasiffication of the types into similar groups based on trait similarities (for instance temperaments NFs, SJs and so on), and such.

Enneagram on the other hand is much, much more intuitive, and probably that's the reason why people often connect it with spirituality. Nevertheless, it's quite accurate, and those of us who posess a well developed intuition might find it enjoyable.

Both systems are imperfect in their inability to fully encompass the complexity of human personality and decision making, as has been mentioned somewhere in this thread.

However, contrary to astrological systems, some scientific (neurological) basis for personality types (or speciffic, single traits) might be discovered in the future. For instance the difference between P and J, something Arion has asked about in the first post, has been generally considered to be associated with brain hemisphere dominance: left-brainness produces J and right-brainness is P :

[Unbiased]

I have been banned from a forum for speaking in a metaphorical language the INTJ Moderator did not understand.

That's strange. I consider myself to be borderline P/J, but in tests I always type as INTJ, and I am very metaphorical. To the point that in real life I have been treated as, and actually called 'crazy' or 'mentally disturbed', because people couldn't understand my metaphorical speech and my Ni sense of humor. I agree with Femme, I don't think it's distinctive, directness - yes (almost always only in INTJs) but not the use of metaphor.