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This is a discussion on Religion(s) within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Sanskrit I think same could be said about Superman, Spiderman, Captain America etc. They also have had ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanskrit View Post
    I think same could be said about Superman, Spiderman, Captain America etc. They also have had many more tests and adventures than Jesus so there's greater reference base what comes to life's lessons and ideal choices for different situations.
    Indeed, except that I don't recall them founding religions... Nor dying under torture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabbling View Post
    Indeed, except that I don't recall them founding religions... Nor dying under torture.
    Thor FTW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeb View Post
    Thor FTW?


    Now, there's a Thor-t!

    So, where is Thor's historical evidence of existence...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabbling View Post


    Now, there's a Thor-t!

    So, where is Thor's historical evidence of existence...
    Dude, Thor is awesome! We don't question THE HAMMER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabbling View Post


    Now, there's a Thor-t!

    So, where is Thor's historical evidence of existence...
    Where's Jesus's historical evidence for existence? In case you missed the memo bible doesn't count when it is the only source that makes such reference, it also makes a reference to a talking snake and unicorns but since I am not having a chat with a viper and then riding my unicorn to sunset I do not really loan that much credibility to that opus.

    The debate whether there even was a Jesus, or if he was a compendium of the character of wandering "teacher" sage of that specific era with some messianic lore thrown in the mix is not just a case of one or two disgruntles atheists but a matter seriously treated by many theologians and academics, so also claiming it is just propaganda also will ring hollow to me. And I do not say Jesus was not real out of grudge, but out of having been exposed to a whole lot of evidence that suggests that Jesus was not even that one iconic carpenter you "know" and love.

    Might just as well talk about Thor as a real character for all I know in terms of verifiable existence.

    Also Captain america was dead, and rose from the dead sort of as he was thawed from the arctic ice. Spiderman once died, went to hell and was resurrected by his love Mary Jane Watson. Superman has died and risen more times than I can even recall and seems to be doing well in terms of religious zeal what comes to his fans. And don't even get me started on Batman...

    The point is, humans for millenniums have come up with such high tales of heroes of righteous and divine morality, and the new ones are at least a little less violent and contradictory ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanskrit View Post
    And I do not say Jesus was not real out of grudge, but out of having been exposed to a whole lot of evidence that suggests that Jesus was not even that one iconic carpenter you "know" and love.
    Not really important, but a bit of minutiae I like... I was watching a documentary and apparently the word that people translated into "carpenter" actually meant he was probably a stone worker - if he existed that is. It was this really cool documentary series that took biblical events and explained what actually happened... the story sodom and gammorah being the aftermath of a meteor (in Austria I believe) being misinterpreted, for example.

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    double post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanskrit View Post
    Where's Jesus's historical evidence for existence? In case you missed the memo bible doesn't count when it is the only source that makes such reference, it also makes a reference to a talking snake and unicorns but since I am not having a chat with a viper and then riding my unicorn to sunset I do not really loan that much credibility to that opus.

    The debate whether there even was a Jesus, or if he was a compendium of the character of wandering "teacher" sage of that specific era with some messianic lore thrown in the mix is not just a case of one or two disgruntles atheists but a matter seriously treated by many theologians and academics, so also claiming it is just propaganda also will ring hollow to me. And I do not say Jesus was not real out of grudge, but out of having been exposed to a whole lot of evidence that suggests that Jesus was not even that one iconic carpenter you "know" and love.

    Might just as well talk about Thor as a real character for all I know in terms of verifiable existence.
    i think it's important to realise that there are four facts about Jesus which are generally *not contested* by atheist or non-Christian historians. These are the burial of Jesus, the empty tomb, the appearances to the disciples and that the new belief in Jesus arose in a hostile environment.

    Two great scholars debate it here, so you can look at the evidence for yourself.

    Minimal Facts | WINTERY KNIGHT

    There is evidence which is outside of the Bible that Jesus was a real historical figure, he existed in history and those non Christian sources support parts of the historical account of his life. There is a good overview of those sources here:

    Did Jesus Exist? Searching for Evidence Beyond the Bible – Biblical Archaeology Society

    Here is a man who was a cold case homicide detective who decided to tackle the Resurrection as though it were an unsolved, many years past, crime (these cold cases were his day job a a detective). He applies the principles of homicide detection to the case of the death accounts of Jesus, showings what can be deduced from the evidence and how reliable it is. Again, the reasoning is here in brief but his book Cold Case Christianity is excellent, I've read it and I'd recommend it.

    Four Reasons the New Testament Gospels Are Reliable (Free Bible Insert) | Cold Case Christianity

    Talking snakes and talking donkeys...this is a different question about the much earlier writings, thousands of years before Jesus existed in history. Generally this is explained by the genre and intention of the writing, in different ways. It's not a reason to dismiss the accounts of Jesus' death and resurrection, which is presented as a historical event in the gospels and NT writings whihc were written in the first century AD.

    Talking Snakes, Donkeys, and Believing the Bible | The Confident Christian

    Unicorns isn't one I've come across before, but it looks like that is taken from a word which means one-horned creature, and those animals do exist, for example rhinoceros has one horn. This website discusses this word, and says it isn't the mythical unicorn. A horn would imply strength in their ancient style of writing, so it could be a strong animal, or a rhino, or something whihc is now extinct. That is a word detail I've never come across before. Interesting but trivial in 'can the bible be trusted' terms.

    https://answersingenesis.org/extinct...-in-the-bible/

    Also Captain america was dead, and rose from the dead sort of as he was thawed from the arctic ice. Spiderman once died, went to hell and was resurrected by his love Mary Jane Watson. Superman has died and risen more times than I can even recall and seems to be doing well in terms of religious zeal what comes to his fans. And don't even get me started on Batman...

    The point is, humans for millenniums have come up with such high tales of heroes of righteous and divine morality, and the new ones are at least a little less violent and contradictory ;)
    Oddly enough, I sort of agree with you about this, but I'd come at it from completely the other end. The existence of the myth and the dream of the myth sort of suggests that somehow humans are hard wired to desire resurrection, and if there is a God then when he visited earth it seems utterly consistent to me that he would address that very issue.

    Sort of in the same way that counterfeit bank notes wouldn't exist at all if there were not real ones. For me, your heroes emulate Jesus, but he outshines them, by dint of his actual verifiable existence, his teaching, his many followers and their bravery (if you want a real heroine of mine, see Perpetua, but she is one of many millions who have looked at the evidence, weighed up the challenge and the undoubtedly huge cost of following Jesus for themselves).

    Primary Sources - The Martyrdom Of Saints Perpetua And Felicitas | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeb View Post
    Not really important, but a bit of minutiae I like... I was watching a documentary and apparently the word that people translated into "carpenter" actually meant he was probably a stone worker - if he existed that is. It was this really cool documentary series that took biblical events and explained what actually happened... the story sodom and gammorah being the aftermath of a meteor (in Austria I believe) being misinterpreted, for example.
    Yes, thanks, I also came across this recently, and it fits in really well with much of his teaching, he uses stories of houses built on rock, and talks about stones and foundations and so on, much more than items which are made from wood. I think that it could well be that he was a stone worker. There was apparently a big new building site west of Nazareth, where they were building some major fancy buildings for the rich people, I read, and this would have given him first hand experience of the rich-poor divide, from the viewpoint of the oppressed poor, again consistent with what he says on the subject.

    It is only speculative as far as I know, but it is plausible.
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    Ah bah, double post me as @jeb . Must be catching!

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