[knght990]

btw, this makes me the winner

[knght990]

[JonnyJB]

ROFL! Isn't that cute? You can't defy the essence of illogical logic wrapped up in an overexuberant package of squishy, loving enthusiasm that can perceive the deepest, most hidden essence of your psyche to discern the emotions you'd just as soon pretend had no say in your decisions. >.> I always win. It's not a fact, but a challenge. ...and I don't think you're up to it. :P

Sorry, but, wtf? You lost me at "can't defy the essence of illogical logic", I don't think I can even parse that... or if I do it comes to "affirming the central nature of" and then falls off a cliff with the self contradiction...

As a newbie, I'm sorry, but could you put that in plain English?

[Deagalman]

Okee. I think I have my answer. I know how you INTJs hate to repeat yourselves ^_^ My initial impression was correct.

1. Disregarding your opinion without a valid argument is a pet peeve.
Therefore...
A. If your interest in me and my own opinion is minimal, rejecting yours out of hand is a sure way to get brushed off and otherwise put into the big mental box marked "IGNORE"

B. If my opinion does matter, because somehow I've managed to wriggle my way into the inner sanctum of your close friends, this phrase should get a confused, somewhat indignant response. Obviously, if I'm a close friend, I have value to you...yet defiance is unacceptable.


Is this accurate?

You can disregard my opinion. Your opinion is your belief on the matter at hand. You can reject my opinion and I'd rather you did a lot of the time so I could grow and see a new perspective. Your opinion would matter if we got into a discussion on a Subway. You're a close friend until you get bored and flit off to the next group of people, which is fine. I fail to see how defiance relates at all to you having your own opinion, disagreeing with mine, and then pointing out the flaws in my argument. Am I like a father figure to you? I've never been aware of this with the ENFP's I've known, that our relations are fartherly but I can see how it could apply. A case in point, an INTJ at their best in one of the most open minded people you will ever interact with. Disagree all you please and even if you don't back it up with logic, I can recognize where you are coming from. I just won't hesitate to tell you why I think your belief isn't to my liking and how my belief applies better, in my life and to a lesser extant in general, if such is true based on facts and not subjective. But then I also consider how I need to look out for adducing evidence soley to prove my point and in affect discounting yours. This is unacceptable and I watch for it. But I won't hesitate to debate with you and even at times to convince you of my belieff if I see that you are rethinking your belief. What I realized in writing this is that I'm talking about beliefs and you are talking about opinions so in theory I suppose that you and I could be interacting with different ideas altogether. I'm convinced of my belief until you convince me otherwise.

[Extremophile]

Even if it's a teasing reply, it's irritating. Most of the time I am being serious- and a boring, childish reply like that doesn't merit a response. I would shrug and ignore you most likely. This response is my socially "polite" response, because in my head I am rolling my eyes and saying "shut the fuck up".

When I give my opinion, I am drawn to people who reply "Hmm, that's interesting. I think it's this way but your point of view takes into account such-and-such aspect. Why do you think that?"
This not only shows they are taking my opinion seriously, but are willing to understand, and further discuss, it.

That's just if you say "I defy you"- not if you actually talk about it.
I hope this helps.

[Sunshine Girl]

It would bother me and I would most likely ask "why?" Depending on your response to that, I would either continue to try to get you to see it my way, or give up on you all together and walk away.

[Alysaria]

Even if it's a teasing reply, it's irritating. Most of the time I am being serious- and a boring, childish reply like that doesn't merit a response. I would shrug and ignore you most likely. This response is my socially "polite" response, because in my head I am rolling my eyes and saying "shut the fuck up".

When I give my opinion, I am drawn to people who reply "Hmm, that's interesting. I think it's this way but your point of view takes into account such-and-such aspect. Why do you think that?"
This not only shows they are taking my opinion seriously, but are willing to understand, and further discuss, it.

That's just if you say "I defy you"- not if you actually talk about it.
I hope this helps.

To be perfectly frank, I'd rather you told me to shut the fuck up. One of the most awesome things about NTs in general is their blunt honesty, and INT*s just put things so succinctly, there's no missing the meaning. Knowing where I stand, even if it's not the most pleasant place, is a whole lot better than being confused about the silent treatment and going through millions of possible reasons for it... >< And truth to tell, I'd probably color you cruel and hurtful in my mind...and convince other people of it too. >.> ENFPs are great at perceiving the most subtle actions and thoughts in others, but when it comes to giving a motivation to the action....I'm usually wrong. I'd probably decide that you just hated me when all I did was talk to you and give you some attention... By ENFP logic, that would make you a jerk. -shrug-


This is kind of turning into an interesting discussion in spite of the fact that I started the thread to bother knght990.

[mrmatt]

To be perfectly frank, I'd rather you told me to shut the fuck up. One of the most awesome things about NTs in general is their blunt honesty

im glad some people appreciate that
my family hates it!

[knght990]

I'm happily bothered when you talk to me.
I'm unhappily bothered when you talk about me.

[Alysaria]

Sorry, but, wtf? You lost me at "can't defy the essence of illogical logic", I don't think I can even parse that... or if I do it comes to "affirming the central nature of" and then falls off a cliff with the self contradiction...

As a newbie, I'm sorry, but could you put that in plain English?

Hehe. It wasn't supposed to make sense. >.> ENFPs are a contradiction in and of ourselves when it comes to logic. I can make a logical argument out of an illogical topic that sounds convincing...or I can make an illogical argument out of a logical topic and make it sound ridiculous.