[Green Girl]

Why? InvisibleJim is usually fine... your grammar won't offend and you are logical, so he'd likely be amenable to straightening out your function-type issues. He really is most knowledgeable.



And hemo likes him, so how bad could he really be?

Grammar and logic aren't my concern; the possibility of witnessing hemo spanking him was what scared me.

[Isis]

Grammar and logic aren't my concern; the possibility of witnessing hemo spanking him was what scared me.

Good point.

I'm sure she'd be willing to deal with that offline and report back.

[Hemoglobin]

Good point.

I'm sure she'd be willing to deal with that offline and report back.

Girls... I thought you were a bit more voyeuristic than that....

Will you accept it in PDF format?

[Green Girl]

Girls... I thought you were a bit more voyeuristic than that....

Will you accept it in PDF format?

Absolutely, just updated Adobe.

[Wien1938]

Ref: OP. I don't think that juggling functions is possible in MBTI/Jungian theory.

I would go further into detail but it is 06:11 in the morning and I need to sleep!

[InvisibleJim]

I've been reading and thinking about my four main cognitive functions and shadow functions, and I realized that I often will purposely allow different functions to dominate in certain situations, purposely put on different personas. Does that make any sense in cognitive theory? I wonder if any of you do this.

There are four possible combinations of an INTJs four main functions:

Ni-Te-Fi-Se INTJ
The one that feels right, my regular mode of being

Te-Ni-Se-Fi ENTJ
Get things done mode. I will let my Te take over when I am trying to get a group to accomplish a complicated task that is already mapped out. My focus is completely external and logical, and I can be overbearing and insensitive. This is pretty comfortable for me, and I use it often.

Se-Fi-Te-Ni ESFP
Social Performer mode. I use this in social situations, and do it quite consciously. I can be quite bubbly and outgoing, focused on people and the here and now. It feels a little awkward, but it is not really fake. It's as is my 3rd and 4th functions get to come out to play, and also get to protect my Ni and Te, which feel out of place in these situations. I enjoy it for a while, but it is exhausting to maintain for long.

Fi-Se-Ni-Te ISFP
I don't think I ever do this one. Maybe it's not possible to switch how you process internally, even temporariiy.

Bonus Combo:
Se-Fi/Ni-Te -Stressed out Green Girl
I think I go into this weird one when I am completely worn out and stressed out, obsessing about external details and how life is unfair and no one follows the rules. Kind of like a really unhealthy ISFJ. The only recourse is to go off by myself for a while to find my center and recharge.

What? Who summons me from my slumber... very well let us review...

Firstly I would recommend reviewing the collation of all human knowledge to date (wikipedia); it has a collation of all of the different ways to view cognitive function from jung through to how mbti uses (or potential misuses) them...

wikipedia - Jungian Cognitive Functions

Secondly, although I do not believe that your ideas are lacking in merit, the reason you don't 'feel' an Fi mode is that Ni is soft Fi in that it is a perceptive function which follows inner monologues of symbology and defines those on a right/wrong axis via subconcious process (Fi is concious). You will find that you express these subconcious beliefs via. Fi into the concious world for relief. I've noted that most INTJs are inclined to appeals to emotion over appeals to logic, in cognitive terms this is because Jung places us in the Introverted Irrational spectrum (Ni is not rational and Ni is predominant).

My personal belief is that we can't pick and chose which functions we use; they just happen spontaneously and continuously. Ni is always dominant to the INTJ, in a constructive support Te is the pivot. In the reactive support, Fi is the pivot. It is aspired that we meet our Se expectations but it takes us time to do so (compare the INTJ debating and relating via judgement with the ENTJs at the gym absorbing sensation for example).

I also don't think it is necessarily correct to label displayed attitudes unless it is an extroverted function. We as INTJs relate externally via Te and then Se; thats why our speech is often non-rigorous, but efficient when technical. When we go into relating our Ni experiences we can be quite convoluted to others because Ni (introverted perceiving) leads, we can't bring ourselves for it to submit to Te. On the contrary, our beliefs are scathing (Fi) because our internal judgement can be accessed via the extroverted thinking attitude.

I hope that helps.

[Hemoglobin]

See... Wasn't that bad now was it?

[Green Girl]

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My personal belief is that we can't pick and chose which functions we use; they just happen spontaneously and continuously. Ni is always dominant to the INTJ, in a constructive support Te is the pivot. In the reactive support, Fi is the pivot. It is aspired that we meet our Se expectations but it takes us time to do so (compare the INTJ debating and relating via judgement with the ENTJs at the gym absorbing sensation for example).

I hope that helps.

Thank you, oh Hierophant. It helps a lot. I think the above paragraph is what I was trying to figure out, in a deeply over-simplified way. It's very impressive, the way you can whip out clear and insightful analysis in a few paragraphs. Others take whole books and remain confusing (and possibly confused).

I will allow you to return to your slumbers now.

[Isis]

What? Who summons me from my slumber... very well let us review...

Firstly I would recommend reviewing the collation of all human knowledge to date (wikipedia); it has a collation of all of the different ways to view cognitive function from jung through to how mbti uses (or potential misuses) them...

I'm a little concerned about your use of "collation" twice in one sentence...

Is it very wrong and bad that I still don't really understand any of this?

[Codger]

Is it very wrong and bad that I still don't really understand any of this?

I believe this thread knocked a few points off my IQ, or at least my ability to think straight for a few minutes.