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BPD and INTJ

View Poll Results: Have you (INTJ only) ever exhibited the common signs/symptoms related to BPD?

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    13 46.43%
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  • Sometimes, but only a few of the symptoms (below five)

    7 25.00%
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    8 28.57%
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This is a discussion on BPD and INTJ within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Accendo Not to derail the thread or anything, but I can't resist INTJ-ing for a moment. That's ...

  1. #11
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Accendo View Post
    Not to derail the thread or anything, but I can't resist INTJ-ing for a moment.
    That's okay, I should have known better anyway ;)


    Quote Originally Posted by Accendo View Post
    I do not think that a BPD diagnosis is an attempt to persecute those who rebel against gender typings. The key to an accurate diagnosis is of course going to be how extreme and/or detrimental the behavior is, not whether or not the diagnosis might offend certain parties.
    Nor do I. I would suggest that while the diagnosis was certainly not invented for the purpose of persecution, it presently has sufficiently vague symptoms so as to easily lend itself to such abuses. This is true of any diagnosis when lacking thorough research.

    Quote Originally Posted by Accendo View Post
    For example, a woman who is as sexually active as an average male would be perceived in modern society as healthy and shouldn't be diagnosed with BPD. (I'm choosing to overlook arguments based on morality). But a woman who throws herself at everyone is doing more than just rebelling against gender type, she's behaving in a way that puts her health on the line, and thus impacts how she functions daily n a negative manner. She should not be praised for her willingness to 'rebel', but offered help and warned about her self-destructive behaviors. (Of course the same would be true for men, but since BPD tend's to be, statistically, a women's disorder like autism is stereotypically a male disorder, I used a woman in this example).
    I think this example is a little too vague for your purpose. If not with 'morality' arguments, how would one decide that the woman is actually putting her health on the line with too much sexual activity, and what does it mean if she is throwing herself at everyone? Is this determined by observing that she is having so much sex that she literally cannot keep up with the rest of her life's responsibilities? This sounds like it would probably be a different disorder, like some kind of sex addiction, and I'm not sure how it would apply... but anyone who is intentionally abusing themselves or seeking abuse should seek help. (<my comment does not include masochists, as they actually seek pleasure, not abuse, through the sensation of pain)

  2. #12
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by bethdeth View Post
    I really do not see how an INTJ would be more common for this disorder....I find it offensive that somehow I can be unwillingly put into having a personality disorder because of my type.
    definitely not what I'm saying.
    I'm not saying INTJ's have BPD inherently, I'm asking if there seems to be a predisposition.

    Comments are very much appreciated, as is constructive criticism. This isn't exactly "thorough" in any way (after all, it is a poll restricted to one website and one forum-thing -INTJ-) its merely to satisfy my own personal musings.

    I did read the feminist argument against it, and it certainly does hold some weight. I've also read that INTJ's are more prone to personality/anxiety disorders. Not sure how true that is, but that is somewhat the point of this forum.

    Maybe I'll post a similiar thread in ohh... say... ENFJ or ENTJ.
    dagdraumur thanked this post.

  3. #13
    INTJ - The Scientists


    Quote Originally Posted by aliashere View Post
    definitely not what I'm saying.
    I'm not saying INTJ's have BPD inherently, I'm asking if there seems to be a predisposition.

    Comments are very much appreciated, as is constructive criticism. This isn't exactly "thorough" in any way (after all, it is a poll restricted to one website and one forum-thing -INTJ-) its merely to satisfy my own personal musings.

    I did read the feminist argument against it, and it certainly does hold some weight. I've also read that INTJ's are more prone to personality/anxiety disorders. Not sure how true that is, but that is somewhat the point of this forum.

    Maybe I'll post a similiar thread in ohh... say... ENFJ or ENTJ.
    I worded it wrong...I meant to say there would be no predisposition. There is a difference between feelings of emptiness and isolation which could probably come from the real isolation that INTJs may/may not suffer (and usually this comes down to choice). It does not follow that behaviours of a personality disorder will occur. I do not think that INTJs are more prone to mood disorders or any psycho-pathologies for that matter. They may be just aware of feeling different to the majority of the population and perhaps internalise it and even look for answers in mental illness? Who knows?

    BPD has a lot of behaviours here that have not been laid out for people to fully grasp which have to be taken into account as well.


    • frantic efforts to avoid real or perceived abandonment
    • pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships, characterized by alternating between idealization and devaluation ("love-hate" relationships)
    • extreme, persistently unstable self-image and sense of self
    • impulsive behavior in at least two areas (such as spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)
    • recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or recurring acts of self-mutilation (such as cutting or burning oneself)
    • unstable mood caused by brief but intense episodes of depression, irritability, or anxiety
    • chronic feelings of emptiness
    • inappropriate and intense anger, or difficulty controlling anger displayed through temper outbursts, physical fights, and/or sarcasm


    These traits below found in DSM V for BPD would go completely against what is typical for INTJ traits within relationships.

    INTJs emotional lability? What Is Emotional Lability?

    ImpulsivitySelf-harm
    Separation insecurity
    emotional lability


    Interpersonal relationships I could go through nearly all of these and say hmmmm that could be normal for anyone or give analysis to how they aren't typical INTJ traits.

    • intolerance of aloneness
    • abandonment, engulfment, annihilation fears
    • counterdependency
    • stormy relationships
    • manipulativeness
    • dependency
    • devaluation
    • masochism/sadism
    • demandingness
    • entitlement

    This is a rare disorder. There are approx 2% of the general population who suffer this.
    around 80% of the sufferers are female (taken from different sites easily found on google).

    There are only 0.005 to 1.5 sometimes estimations stretch to 2% of population of INTJ women. This has no relevance to any argument....just wanted to put those numbers out there...
    Last edited by bethdeth; 07-31-2010 at 01:17 PM. Reason: why else...grammar...blah
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  4. #14
    INTJ - The Scientists

    oh okay makes sense. Yeah, good point.
    The root of my question comes from looking up the symptoms and observing that a lot of those occur in my life, although most of them not to the extreme extent that would be necessary or a diagnosis.

    And I appreciate the point that the DSM-IV is extremely flawed. Can't believe I nearly overlooked that. Yea,lets hope they fix that with DSM V.

    Also I read a similiar thread at one point that made a case for the prevalence of schizoid and anxiety and personality disorders in INTJ's. This may be true, and it may not be. Other personality types may have a predisposition to other disorders, or similiar disorders that present differently (for some reason I know a lot of ENFJs and INFJs with serious panic disorders).

    This is logical enough, a certain personality may be more likely to develop a disorder based solely on the characterizations of that personality.

    I highly doubt that this is provable though, you would likely only be able to show a correlation.
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  5. #15
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    When I first saw the title I thought it was Bipolar Disorder, and no I haven't ever had any Borderline symptoms.

  6. #16
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Yep. I have Borderline Personality Disorder, and I'm an INTJ.

  7. #17
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by aliashere View Post
    Well my aim is to determine (as far as I can) whether the disorder SEEMS to show up more with the INTJ because of their extreme personality (such as: an INTJ not exactly taught to handle emotion well, thus exhibiting the symptom) or if they are simply more prone to it.
    I exhibit 7/9 of the traits, though I am not as extreme with said traits as the tests make out (for example: mood swings. Usually they are precipitated by stress or a trigger and don't last long, and my "flashbang" anger is typical INTJ).

    Although BPD exhibits anger in situations that it shouldn't be there, most of the time? They really aren't triggered by stress or anything of that sort, and if it is triggered by that, it's always an overreaction.


 

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