Some in adolescence
Sometimes, but only a few of the symptoms (below five)
Yes, and most of the symptoms (five and up)
This is a discussion on BPD and INTJ within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Accendo Not to derail the thread or anything, but I can't resist INTJ-ing for a moment. That's ...
I'm not saying INTJ's have BPD inherently, I'm asking if there seems to be a predisposition.
Comments are very much appreciated, as is constructive criticism. This isn't exactly "thorough" in any way (after all, it is a poll restricted to one website and one forum-thing -INTJ-) its merely to satisfy my own personal musings.
I did read the feminist argument against it, and it certainly does hold some weight. I've also read that INTJ's are more prone to personality/anxiety disorders. Not sure how true that is, but that is somewhat the point of this forum.
Maybe I'll post a similiar thread in ohh... say... ENFJ or ENTJ.
BPD has a lot of behaviours here that have not been laid out for people to fully grasp which have to be taken into account as well.
- frantic efforts to avoid real or perceived abandonment
- pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships, characterized by alternating between idealization and devaluation ("love-hate" relationships)
- extreme, persistently unstable self-image and sense of self
- impulsive behavior in at least two areas (such as spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)
- recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or recurring acts of self-mutilation (such as cutting or burning oneself)
- unstable mood caused by brief but intense episodes of depression, irritability, or anxiety
- chronic feelings of emptiness
- inappropriate and intense anger, or difficulty controlling anger displayed through temper outbursts, physical fights, and/or sarcasm
These traits below found in DSM V for BPD would go completely against what is typical for INTJ traits within relationships.
INTJs emotional lability? What Is Emotional Lability?
Interpersonal relationships I could go through nearly all of these and say hmmmm that could be normal for anyone or give analysis to how they aren't typical INTJ traits.
- intolerance of aloneness
- abandonment, engulfment, annihilation fears
- stormy relationships
This is a rare disorder. There are approx 2% of the general population who suffer this.
around 80% of the sufferers are female (taken from different sites easily found on google).
There are only 0.005 to 1.5 sometimes estimations stretch to 2% of population of INTJ women. This has no relevance to any argument....just wanted to put those numbers out there...
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oh okay makes sense. Yeah, good point.
The root of my question comes from looking up the symptoms and observing that a lot of those occur in my life, although most of them not to the extreme extent that would be necessary or a diagnosis.
And I appreciate the point that the DSM-IV is extremely flawed. Can't believe I nearly overlooked that. Yea,lets hope they fix that with DSM V.
Also I read a similiar thread at one point that made a case for the prevalence of schizoid and anxiety and personality disorders in INTJ's. This may be true, and it may not be. Other personality types may have a predisposition to other disorders, or similiar disorders that present differently (for some reason I know a lot of ENFJs and INFJs with serious panic disorders).
This is logical enough, a certain personality may be more likely to develop a disorder based solely on the characterizations of that personality.
I highly doubt that this is provable though, you would likely only be able to show a correlation.
When I first saw the title I thought it was Bipolar Disorder, and no I haven't ever had any Borderline symptoms.