[INTJ] Are you what you choosed to be or you just born that way?

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Are you what you choosed to be or you just born that way?

    Are you what you choosed to be or you just born that way? I mean let's see how you were since you're kids.

    Well, let's start from me, I remembered my childhood and I'm aware that I was born as an INTJ. (eventhough when i grown up and fully mature now I tend to more perceiving)
    I was very mature in thinking, serious minded, unlike most children should be. I really liked books and reading a lot since I was 3 years old.
    I philosophized. I realized who I am, I don't have natural ability to please the others or just to fit in with the society, and I decided fastly. I also was a child prodigy.
    I never choosed to be an INTJ, but the test result tell me that I'm an INTJ. I don't have childhood bitterness which makes me weird, cold and solitary, and I wasn't a rejected child in my family. I just purely like that. I was born that way.

    How about you all? Yes, all of you. I see so many INTJs here..
    and maybe some just INTJs wannabe? because they want to be included in a rare category or they think be aloof and different is cool.
    But no, I don't think so. Be the best of your real-self is what we should be.



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    INTJ - The Scientists

    I think we are who we choose to be. We choose to be a certain person every day. We're born with certain tendencies, but once we are able to think abstractly and have a fuller conscious as compared to ourselves when we had an undeveloped infant's brain, we are able to decide how we want to be if we have the motivation to do so. I had a lot of INTJ attributes when I was a kid, completely unaware of MBTI. However, as I have gotten older, I realize I make a choice as to who I wish to be. I have tendencies that help me be the person I want to be, but I also wish to change some things in myself.

  3. #3
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Neither.

    The world played a part too.

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    Unknown Personality

    Choices are based on preferences. I find it weird to anyone consider that they define what they are purely by conscious arbitration. To me it seems to be the other way around, choices are based on who you are. Every decision I make considers my priorities, values and external cicrumstances. If I would not have values serving as parameters I would be incapable of making a simply decision.Thus it is virtually impossible to choose who you are.

    Even if you could choose what you are, unless you would not already have a character and some sort of value system, you could not decide what you want to be. You would be simply following your involuntary desires Stating that only tendencies and propensites are given and hence the choices lie with you ignore again, that it would be these very propensites that motivate our decisions and work as parameters to determine our moves. Choosing who you are seems like a something-out-of-nothing idea to me, primarily motivated by wishful thinking. So much about the technical aspect of this question.

    Of course so far we do not possess a complete mental representation of how development works in detail, and how precisely epigenetics, cultural influences and genetical dispositions shape your personality, so IŽd rather refrain from a final answer as regards the nature-nurture debate.

    And @Melisa Yulia Kristin you mentinoned you have been a child prodigy. In which subject? Do you still pursue it?


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    INTP - The Thinkers

    I asked. What about you?

    Yeah maybe you find it weird to consider the pure define by conscious arbitration, but not for me.
    I think I know myself well, aware of who I am and even every bad part of me, but of course when I was a kid I unaware of MBTI.
    Self-aware here is recognition of our own personality, our strengths and weaknesses, our likes and dislikes.

    And yes i was a child prodigy, people who knew me since i was a kid always tell me that. I was really good in math, and as I said, I learned to read when I was 3. I wasn't only read stories and tales but also books about philosophy, religion, law, and encyclopedi. I don't pursue it anymore, it's not challenging (especially at school) when i knew that not everyone competence and have integrity.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Unlike you guys, I am certain I was INTJ since I was born. Cognitive patterns are not built through experiences.

    As a baby, I cried very little. I would make evil faces at my mom when my diaper was dirty. She called me a creepy baby because of it.
    I was introverted from the beginning. I did not talk until I was 3.5. And then I spoke in complete sentences when I did.
    All of my activities and ways of going about the activities showed an INTJ bent. My mother told me all of the stories.

    I do not believe we choose to be who we are, nor do I believe that environment forms our personalities.

    Environment definitely damages our personalities, but it does not form.

    You are born with what you are.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    I think that there are external as well as internal forces that shape who we become. I remember childhood much as you do... I have one close friend from high school that I still keep in touch with (meaning that we text every other month and talk about how we should really get together). All of my other friends have come in seasons and to be truthful, the friendships that have lasted the longest were due in large part to efforts made by them. I simply lack the need for "friendly" interaction. Now if you want to sit and analyze the living hell out of pretty much anything, I will talk to you for hours... just don't expect me to know what to say when your boyfriend breaks up with you (I will probably go over a logical list of reasons) or understand why you feel the need to put yourself in the middle of a large crowd of people in the bar on Friday and Saturday nights. I can't even fathom why that would be better than sitting at home drinking with a book or the history channel.

    I am an INTP... so my world pretty much happens in my head. I've been diagnosed with ADD but I wonder how much of that is just not caring about what is going on outside of my thoughts. If I hear something interesting, well, you've lost me.

    I can think of a few social interactions when I was a kid that might have pushed me towards being an introvert, but I wonder whether the awkwardness came from my personality or the situation. Crowds have always given me anxiety... because people want to talk to you and expect you to be present in the conversation, which isn't one of my strong points (unless we are discussing the meaning of life or analyzing the possibility of telepathy... or anything else that I find interesting).

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    I have five children, and all of them had their own personalities from the beginning. They were raised with similar surroundings, yet are very different. I believe that we are born with certain things hard wired, yes you can certainly change some of it with enough practice and extreme circumstances like abuse can alter personalities to a certain extent, but there is a preference to be who we were hard wired to be.

    I personally was very serious as a child, I made my own path in life, and have often turned around to find others following the path I blazed. I read a ton, cleaned out the elementary, middle school, & high school libraries of anything remotely interesting. I don't feel like I chose those traits.

    What I believe I have chosen is where I want to go and what I want to do with my life. I've set goals for myself, and work a little each day on achieving those goals. I know what I would like people to say about me when I am no longer here, and I intentionally do the things each day that lead me in that direction.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by bluekitdon View Post
    I have five children, and all of them had their own personalities from the beginning. They were raised with similar surroundings, yet are very different. I believe that we are born with certain things hard wired, yes you can certainly change some of it with enough practice and extreme circumstances like abuse can alter personalities to a certain extent, but there is a preference to be who we were hard wired to be.

    I personally was very serious as a child, I made my own path in life, and have often turned around to find others following the path I blazed. I read a ton, cleaned out the elementary, middle school, & high school libraries of anything remotely interesting. I don't feel like I chose those traits.

    What I believe I have chosen is where I want to go and what I want to do with my life. I've set goals for myself, and work a little each day on achieving those goals. I know what I would like people to say about me when I am no longer here, and I intentionally do the things each day that lead me in that direction.
    Thank you for being a parent and sharing your observations. I have found that I can even MBTI type children as young as two, sometimes younger. This is how I arrived at my conclusion.


    AND WHAT THE FLYING DUCK?!!!! 'Choosed to be'?????


 

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