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This is a discussion on Definition for rape within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by Cetanu I don't know why you bothered to respond. She clearly has an incredibly skewed perception of ...

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Cetanu View Post
    I don't know why you bothered to respond. She clearly has an incredibly skewed perception of reality. Talking to her, I imagine, is like talking to an alien that is pretending it's a human.
    There are some reasons.

    I guess not everyone, in this site like in real life, ever noticed the huge discrimination men face in western world until they hit it with the face. For those people, what she wrote seems reasonable because, after all, it is all media continue to repeat.

    Second, I like to stand for the oppressed, and we see how it is easy attack men even here ("men cheat", "men envious of female success", "male resentment"). These threads could refer to specific studies, but usually we met some commenters who suddenly jump attacking men as a whole (that generalization, of course, is sexism and technically not allowed by forum rules - I do not pretend the mod's axe, but see how it is easy dismiss men as a whole).

    Third, she does very nice drawings and I was a bit taken aback by the vicious things she said. I am sorry if she had bad experiences with individual men but this does not mean all men are such.
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  2. #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Cetanu View Post
    If someone is that drunk, it's very clear that it is rape whether they are male or female. I don't know a single man in my life who would do anything other than take care of someone that drunk.
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    the trouble is, everyone's perspective on this is experiential. i have met or heard from men who felt differently, or at least talked as if they felt differently. one of the things you meet with a lot if you're a woman is men speaking pretty freely to you about their opinions of other women, in a divide-and-conquerish way. they let you know what their social/moral codes are for women in general, and it has an impact. i imagine guys get the same kind of thing from women, but i don't know if the messages are exactly the same. see, a guy who got hammered and got taken might wake up feeling just as screwed over the next morning, but instead of hearing 'your fault for drinking in the first place' he'd just get laughed off. neither one does justice to the person involved, but i feel they're so different that trying to negate or refute one by citing the other is completely pointless. one admits harm but places a lot of the blame for it in the wrong place, and the other refuses to admit harm at all.

  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by xlr8r View Post
    You are a liar, pure and simple. And today usually women suffer no consequence for being liars like you. Today the definition of rape is so broad pratically accommodates the feminist desire of considering any heterosexual act as rape. There is no evidence necessary anymore to report a rape to make a man arrested. Today accusing the husband of rape or pedophilia without any evidence is the norm in the divorce courts, and these unfounded accusations are routinely accepted by judges.
    It is the false rape accusers who never suffer consequences, while men's life is usually ruined by complacent media, while they are almost always innocent.
    These assertions require evidence, my friend. Most of the studies that I've read suggest that rape is underreported, and that the number of rapes that go unreported, or if reported, go unsolved--is higher by far than the number of false accusations.

    Personal experience bears this out--three of my friends have experienced cut and dry sexual assault--one of the two cases in which drugs other than alcohol were used to render the person incapable and where the assault that occurred thereafter was sufficiently violent to leave serious physical evidence, and one case of spousal rape where the women in question was physically restrained by her partner and assaulted. In the latter case, after the assault occurred, she cut off all contact with her partner. He then chose to stalk her for several months. In each case, the woman involved felt immense pressure not to report the assault to the police. In one case, the women in question, despite the fact that she was showing clear symptoms of GHB intoxication after she was found, was rejected by the community for being a "false accuser". Eventually, her husband nearly divorced her for "being so foolish" as to accept the drugged cocktail from her attacker.

    Comparably, among my group of male friends--which is selected from the same demographic, and, in fact, larger than my group of female friends--no individual has ever been accused of rape, falsely or not. One individual was falsely accused of domestic violence (because women, being human, are, of course, as imperfect as men are). He was arrested, but the charges were dismissed before the case ever went to court. As they should have been.

    Again, that's anecdotal evidence, but it's better than no evidence altogether.
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    I expect that the statistics are pretty high because the percentage of men (and it is probably pretty small, I wouldn't imagine much above 10% in the appropriate age and income brackets) who want to engage in those practices are likely repeat offenders who account for most of it.

    However, if both men and women simply refrained from drinking and partying altogether, and watched out for risky scenarios, it would go a long way toward reducing violence and crime of all kinds, in addition to what this thread is addressing. I think the extreme lack of boundaries between people today is the cause of all kinds of abuses. This isn't to say the perpetrators are decent people, but you really do have to have an opportunity to perpetrate a crime of any kind. There are too many opportunities today.
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  5. #25
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Lion 4.5 View Post
    I expect that the statistics are pretty high because the percentage of men (and it is probably pretty small, I wouldn't imagine much above 10% in the appropriate age and income brackets) who want to engage in those practices are likely repeat offenders who account for most of it.
    This was an interesting thing that I read, on that point. In one study, something like 95% of all the assaults reported were committed by just 8.4% of respondents. You've read it too?

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  6. #26
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    No, but I just reason that there really aren't that many men with both the social functionality to stay out of prison and the desire to take a risk in order to get something by violence which they probably could easily get another way. It takes a certain kind of man to do both of those things.
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by etranger View Post
    Again, that's anecdotal evidence, but it's better than no evidence altogether.
    Wander around a bit in the two sites I included in my 1st post of this thread.

  8. #28
    INTJ - The Scientists

    @xlr8r

    The only study that is cited in the article on False Allegations hosted by the A Voice for Men page and also supplied with a link is the Rumney. On close inspection, no legitimate study (it *must* be t>30 to achieve anything resembling statistical significance*) gives the false accusation rate as greater than 10%. Having read the article, I find, as does the *author*, that the methodology behind the studies touting higher figures is deeply suspect, due to the way police departments that they relied upon for their data determined the veracity of accusations (victim was not disheveled? delayed reporting? slutty clothing? lack of timid damaged demeanor? etc.). Even in some of the studies that place that number at 10% there are some issues with that figure.

    Taking that 10% as a decent, if high, estimate--if there are 100 reported rapes, then 10 of them are false reports, and 90 are accurate. If only 46% of rapes are reported, then that means there are 195 rapes occurring in the community from which the data derives. This means that the number of rapists who have been falsely accused is 5% of the number of rapes.

    *in my field, we often abide the t>30 rule, but that is because, depending on your unit of analysis, a larger amount of suitable data is not available. in this case, however, given the bank of available evidence any legitimate large-N analysis should be able to pull a much larger figure.
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  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetanu View Post
    I said that the privilege that women have which voids the concept of them discussing the exploitation of a drunk man is that they have freedom of choice and a total lack of requirement to put any effort towards courting or approaching their romantic interest.
    As an aging, nerdy fat woman, this is hilarious. Obviously the cosmetics, fashion, and dieting industries will collapse any day now.
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  10. #30
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by etranger View Post
    @xlr8r

    The only study that is cited in the article on False Allegations hosted by the A Voice for Men page and also supplied with a link is the Rumney.
    Please take your time. Unfortunately these sites can be difficult to navigate.
    Example Facts | A Voice for Men (study mentioned in external linked site)

    I agree this site is particularly lacking on the quick retrieval of info.


     
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