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I doubted there would be anyone like that, that's why I said it. Sadly I was wrong, sorry to here that.
You're supposed to imagine me saying "racist" under some ridiculous circumstances like Pam Poovey from Archer.
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... But I didn't...
 
You haven't watched enough Archer.
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:) No I didn't imagine your tone of voice as you expected me too. I prefer not to watch T.V or whatever that show is.
 
In terms of being an intj, I'm pretty much the stereotype. A bit extraverted, perhaps. But I have questionable morals in the eyes of most, spend half my time in my head and the other half arguing, and adhere to logic to the point that I am soulless (even though I don't believe in souls).
 
You are not an INTJ until you use your function order as such : nitefise.
 
You are not an INTJ until you use your function order as such: nitefise.
How do you pronounce that? "Nye-tee-fye-see?" Is it possible for an INTJ to utilize shadow Si (coupled with Ni for maximum artsy-nostalgic bliss) and still be an INTJ-like INTJ?

adhere to logic to the point that I am soulless
Logic = soulless? According to whom? Al Gore? Michael Moore? Ted Turner?

Ethos and Logos should be unified, not segregated.
 
Why do the INTJs on this forum feel the need to perpetuate INTJ stereotypes?
It's pretty much the same reason that folks get carried away on alcohol when they turn 21. They feel new found freedom, but they haven't learned their own personal boundaries yet.

INTJs often grow up being alienated and rejected when they show their personality. So they learn to keep it suppressed. Here, they are welcome to show their personality, and it is a new experience to them, analogous to someone turning 21 and trying to see how much they can drink.
 
With time comes a broadening of attitude. It IS alright to grow. Some don't want to grow, some aren't ready to grow and so enforce their perceptions of what should be.

some believe themselves to have grown "most" they are the most dangerous .. They have stopped learning.

they wish to impose that stagnancy onto you.

Don't let them.

grow out of, into, and around who you are.
 
I certainly haven't read all 24 pages of this thread, my time is too valuable. I did read the OP though, but more importantly I read the subject of the thread before work today. I have been thinking about it a lot and I think I have concluded why I am so excited about playing out the INTJ stereotype. As the norm with me, this will be a long explanation, but I can assure you I do not say these things without a great deal of thought and conviction behind them.

First, I would like to point out I'm new to the idea of INTJ. I've always been one, and have always been proud of my intellect as well as my unwavering desire and ability to educate myself on a broad range of topics. I hope this fresh opinion will be seen as such, as I do predict the more time I stay here, the more I will realize patterns in the behaviors of others as some posts have pointed out (yes, I did read SOME of the other posts).

When I realized there were a community of other people that were like-minded, I was filled with emotions (lol). My very first thought was skepticism per the norm for me. Then I wondered "is this a legitimate analysis of me and who I really am?" This quickly developed into thoughts about how similar am I to the description of an "INTJ". What makes me unique. Why are all of the other personality tests I've taken in my life full of crap but this one actually accurate? Is this because I prefer the association this one gives me, or is it because the test has something the others don't?

I then began watching videos of other INTJ personalities and learned about how they differed from me, but more importantly, how they are the same. I was thrilled to find out that indeed, there are other people out there not only similar to me, but similar to me in the way that I have to most suppress (explanation up soon).

I have always been what others have referred to as "emotionless" and "witty" (sometimes described as being a douche bag or other obscenities, all of which describe the same aspect of me). Discovering that this is related to (or rooted in, I haven't figured that part out yet) my personality type, I was ecstatic to learn I can finally indulge in intelligent conversation for once in my life.

I am of the opinion that the INTJ personality type must do the most self-modification to their personalities to become compatible with society.

Other personality types have to wonder "why are you so blah?" all of the time. What I have to wonder is, "Why do I have to change for you to accept me when nobody does the same for me?" Not once have I ask a friend of mine to stop expressing their emotions. I have never ask a friend to become introverted. I have never ask a friend to shun their feelings and only look at the facts. Why is it that other personality types ask me to change to a personality type they prefer? Why is it that people always say to "discover yourself," "be yourself," yet do not mean it if you are something they don't prefer? This term quickly gets bastardized into "Stay true to yourself," which essentially means "Well, I don't want you to change everything, just the parts I don't like."

The honest fact of the matter is, as an INTJ, I have NEVER fit in. I have NEVER had people understand me. Not many things get me emotional, but the thought of meeting other people whom I can carry on a conversation in my "native tongue" and they be able to A) follow what the heck I'm saying, B) actually put forth the effort to read it in its entirety, and C) not respond judging by the style in which I presented the information (e.g. you're too detailed, I don't understand, can you put it in 3rd grade reading level please) gets me extremely excited and happy. Though this dream hasn't yet come to fruition, from what reading and involvement I have had so far, I believe this dream may actually have a chance for the first time in my 28 years here on earth.

To put it simply, we are so used to having to speak in native tongue that it's extremely rewarding to finally be able to be ourselves. I realize this is an abbreviation of what I wrote above, and maybe not necessary to say, but this is a perfect example of the conditioning I have succumb to.

So yes, I want to be a stereotype for once. It's not to feel cool or included (from what I gather, these things don't matter to INTJ's - they certainly don't matter to _this_ INTJ) but rather because I may have finally found something I've longed my whole life for. There is a certain medicinal quality to just being able to be yourself. If I'm myself around idiots, they feel offended, or they can't follow me. Each result is equally frustrating.

Even writing this post itself makes me feel much better. Even if what results is people can't follow, or don't want to follow, or did follow but aren't willing to post a response, just the sheer fact that there likely will be people who read this and agree with - even if not in the form of writing a response - is enough to improve my morale.

I also believe that there is a common misnomer about feelings in general, specifically related to INTJ personality types. Admittedly, I haven't researched this topic as much as I would like, so I could be dead wrong - but, I think people have unnecessarily fused having feelings with expressing feelings. I have feelings, but you can't easily see them. I can't easily notice them. I am not influenced by my feelings either [this would be bad, as it may result in irrational thinking]. This doesn't mean, however, that I lack feelings. It simply means they are very difficult to observe.
 
Word. I am posting on another thread about INTJ empaths... and in my mind I am thinking that if I didn't have the visceral data to back up what I'm saying about myself then it either wouldn't be true or I am not an INTJ. But I am an INTJ and I am able to have extreme empathy at others. I say at because I am not going to identify or internalize another persons emotional projections...but when I feel these things I might look around to see if anybody noticed me feeling empathy on the scale that I do. Maybe the person I picked up on has some very apparent tells or is obviously injured or drunk or whatever, and I wouldn't notice them if not for some weird hugely non-concious process that I go through that makes me pick up on them. I notice that nobody else noticed so I know that I am still outwardly stoic and impassive, however whatever is going on in my body physiologically can be like a tornado. Most of these feelings aren't really mine. My personal emotions are normal range and probably a little bit more positive than anyone would suspect, especially in light of my extreme love of....the darkness...

As far as the stereo type thing goes...it can be fun if you are joking around, because like you said it feels good to be able to be yourself. And in very broad terms many INTJs are quite similar to one another and yet completely different from everyone else. I too have watched peoples videos, read their posts, and in fact that is why I am posting in this forum at the current time.

When I first found this site I was relieved, like if I had been some kind of societal refugee and this was the land of the free INTJ. Then I got bored. Then I got sort of more bored with the fact that in the subsequent months I only met one other person in real life who I was relating to and this relating is very delicate because we are both sort of hyper focused on our own interests so though our conversations can run parallel to one another, we are never quite talking about the same thing. On one level this is really cool and a challenge that is rewarding and on the other hand it isn't quite as fulfilling as talking to other people who are pretty much on the same page as you. We are all reading the same book at least.
 
As far as the stereo type thing goes...it can be fun if you are joking around, because like you said it feels good to be able to be yourself. And in very broad terms many INTJs are quite similar to one another and yet completely different from everyone else. I too have watched peoples videos, read their posts, and in fact that is why I am posting in this forum at the current time.

When I first found this site I was relieved, like if I had been some kind of societal refugee and this was the land of the free INTJ. Then I got bored. Then I got sort of more bored with the fact that in the subsequent months I only met one other person in real life who I was relating to and this relating is very delicate because we are both sort of hyper focused on our own interests so though our conversations can run parallel to one another, we are never quite talking about the same thing. On one level this is really cool and a challenge that is rewarding and on the other hand it isn't quite as fulfilling as talking to other people who are pretty much on the same page as you. We are all reading the same book at least.
I appreciate your insight, and had already anticipated such a thing was probably going to be coming soon. For now, I'm enjoying the realization. I would imagine like all new things I discover, I'll soon master the topic and move on to something else that interests me.

Regardless, what you say rang very true with me. I do feel like a societal refugee. Being able to come to a camp with others like me for the first time when all of my life leading up to this has been me "in the war zone" is extremely relieving and rewarding.

I do have to be careful not to become too much like myself though. Unfortunately, being INTJ for me has meant that I must be someone entirely different for society to accept me. It's something I have to actively and consciously work at doing. I know from past experiences that being around dark humor will soon result in me reciprocating that at inappropriate times. Most notably, this will impact my relationship with my wife, and my job because I have a job that requires a lot of interpersonal communication.

Alas, your well thought out response was like a breath of fresh air. It confirmed what I was hoping would be true - that others are actually reading what I've written. It also was nice to read something for once that was well thought out and not a grammatical and logical train wreck that I have grown accustom to.
 
It also was nice to read something for once that was well thought out and not a grammatical and logical train wreck that I have grown accustom to.
Well thank you. I find myself wondering if I even know how to write coherently anymore. It is not often that I get to use big words. I have a business instructor who has two Masters degrees and a PhD. And even she looks at me funny sometimes. It could be because English is not her mother tongue.

I totally get how you feel about having to dumb yourself down. I think I have lowered my intellectual standards so far that perhaps now I am just as stupid as everyone else. I am trying to reactivate my brain tissue so that it will conduct higher and higher levels of bio-electricity.

Drink a lot of alkaline water, think about stuff I don't understand and try to understand it, improve my spelling, and try to find more smarty pants people to debate with. That and meditate more. I will try to remember not to make any comments about....the darkness...
 
I completely understand what you mean about questioning your own intelligence after so much conditioning has taken place. I know for sure that I have lost a lot of my intelligence, specifically related to spelling and grammar ironically. Of course, my skill level still far exceeds most of my coworkers, but in my own standards I am not as bright as I once was.

I believe given the opportunity to be around mostly intelligent people, I would have grown rather than retracted during this time, but I suppose that is life. The result has been good in some ways though, like how I now understand concepts that my intellect wants to avoid - such as the temporal nature of the world. I never wanted to accept or understand I will die someday, but now I have what I feel is a good grasp on that. As a result, there are some things I now refuse to engage in [to a certain degree] when before those topics were topics I would readily engage in (politics, religion, etc).

I find that people tend to notice my intelligence much more than I realize. Even when I'm dumbing myself down to a great extent, people still perceive me as very intelligent.

While on the subject, an interesting paradox I have discovered is that confidence is what is most related to how intelligent people make you out to be. Oddly, the most intelligent people are not confident in themselves (this readiness to change is a big part of what makes them intelligent). A "normal person" will see a confident slightly smart person as being smarter than an unconfident extremely intelligent person. I have also realized that people must be themselves more proficient at something than you to be able to properly gauge your abilities. This explains why the hiring process for most companies is so inefficient. I say this out of frustration, as I find it unnecessarily difficult to seek jobs [though fortunately not a current problem]. I don't like to have to shape-shift into other personalities to impress a hiring manager so I can do what I do better than other idiots who interview better than me.

I apologize for hijacking this thread, I don't want to disrespect the OP in any way. I hope this conversation is good evidence supporting that my beliefs that the INTJ stereotype isn't necessarily a forced thing. I am here for my own enjoyment, and acting as myself because for once I can finally do so effectively.
 
I completely understand what you mean about questioning your own intelligence after so much conditioning has taken place. I know for sure that I have lost a lot of my intelligence, specifically related to spelling and grammar ironically. Of course, my skill level still far exceeds most of my coworkers, but in my own standards I am not as bright as I once was.

I believe given the opportunity to be around mostly intelligent people, I would have grown rather than retracted during this time, but I suppose that is life. The result has been good in some ways though, like how I now understand concepts that my intellect wants to avoid - such as the temporal nature of the world. I never wanted to accept or understand I will die someday, but now I have what I feel is a good grasp on that. As a result, there are some things I now refuse to engage in [to a certain degree] when before those topics were topics I would readily engage in (politics, religion, etc).

I find that people tend to notice my intelligence much more than I realize. Even when I'm dumbing myself down to a great extent, people still perceive me as very intelligent.

While on the subject, an interesting paradox I have discovered is that confidence is what is most related to how intelligent people make you out to be. Oddly, the most intelligent people are not confident in themselves (this readiness to change is a big part of what makes them intelligent). A "normal person" will see a confident slightly smart person as being smarter than an unconfident extremely intelligent person. I have also realized that people must be themselves more proficient at something than you to be able to properly gauge your abilities. This explains why the hiring process for most companies is so inefficient. I say this out of frustration, as I find it unnecessarily difficult to seek jobs [though fortunately not a current problem]. I don't like to have to shape-shift into other personalities to impress a hiring manager so I can do what I do better than other idiots who interview better than me.

I apologize for hijacking this thread, I don't want to disrespect the OP in any way. I hope this conversation is good evidence supporting that my beliefs that the INTJ stereotype isn't necessarily a forced thing. I am here for my own enjoyment, and acting as myself because for once I can finally do so effectively.
Would you say that we are empathizing with one another?

As far as shapeshifting is concerned... I don't think it means that you have to totally become a different person...you just have to convince others that you are what you want them to see.... MASTERMIND STRATEGIST...

This thread was probably half dead and rotting on the side of the road with vultures pecking at its eyeballs anywayz...
 
This thread was probably half dead and rotting on the side of the road with vultures pecking at its eyeballs anywayz...
This thread should never have been made into a sticky.
 
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