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This is a discussion on How the Universe Exists. within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Something I've spent a decade putting together and taking apart. I'm a scientist. The Big Bang Theory, to me, is ...

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    How the Universe Exists.

    Something I've spent a decade putting together and taking apart.

    I'm a scientist. The Big Bang Theory, to me, is the idea that makes the most sense to me when I am feeling existential. Billions of years ago, the Universe burgeoned and created us from nothing; and from that explosion of nothing, we now have everything.

    You and I, and trees--stars and planets--all came from this event; but even the air we breathe, the atoms that compose us, and the fabric of space came from this Big Bang. Now, if you can believe this, then the idea that we are separate from one another becomes more seemingly improbable.

    And I don't just mean from one human to another--I mean, even space,empty space--is as much connected to my skin as it is connected to yours or a distant star. So, as ludicrous as it may sound, distance is an illusory perception we've developed. I think that's why, in part, we feel alone when I think we shouldn't. Kind of romantic for an INTJ, huh?

    That's my idea of birth. For me, that just wasn't enough. If there's birth, then there's death. Now. I don't believe in the ecclesiastical God; Hinduism and Islam are, too, inadequate in explaining how things are. We pray, and tell God what to do--as if he didn't know. We speak to God, when we should be silent. To pray is to not know, I think.

    In the Bible, God himself says, "You search the scriptures daily, for in them you think you have life." You can read the Bible front to back, but that never brings you closer to God. Because words are inept; even the best combinations of words can prove inadequate when matched with pure experience.

    To me, Isaac Newton's Conservation of Energy made the most sense when I was thinking about death and the end of the physical mortal existence.

    When we die, the Earth decays, and the stars all disappear--this energy,heat--will just flow towards wherever it needs to. And I mean, all of our energies will end up in the same place one day. Like how we all originated from the Big Bang. So, my idea that distance is illusory and that we are all connected made sense to me. 19th century hippies popularised the ideas that would boast "we are all connected" from modern 19th century idealists, but they never really told you why. They never made it tangible.

    So there it is, from what I understand of it: Life and Death.

    I was still pretty unsatisfied, I wanted to understand God himself. A few years ago I was a resident at a Buddhist temple in Kyoto. I stayed there for six months to contemplate. The tantric guru, Gauatama Siddhartha once said, "We suffer because we desire, and so, to end our suffering we must, too, end our desires."

    It made me realise that much of what we understand about the Universe works as a paradox. With black there is white, with good there is evil. With soft, there is hard; If the Big Bang and the Universe represents everything then the thing that created everything is nothing.

    It's difficult to accept this for a lot of people, because it just doesn't make a lot of sense. Like, only reading the Bible doesn't make a lot of sense. You have to experience it. And so, I tried my best to. As I said, words are inept, but I hope these ideas will be able to help some people. If there's something I'm missing, please reply. I would be happy to change my perspective.
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    Imagine the universe as a pool of water.
    Matter is a small vortex in the pool.
    We think this disturbance in the water is everything there is.
    Yet it is just a small disturbance in a much larger invisible body.
    Most stuff is just empty space anyway,
    as everything is just made up of small particles spaces quite far apart from each other.
    At least in a relative sense.
    Hence most things are almost not really there.
    The presence of the objects is just the forces acting upon each other.
    We don't understand these forces very well anyway.
    So we believe the make believe illusion our brain creates for us.
    This seeming solid world is easier to navigate than the chaos that our theories tell us reality really is.

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    It's interesting how other INTJs have come up with their own idea of how the universe seems to them. Thanks for that.
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    You should read Andy Weir - The Egg.
    It's a short story (one sheet of paper) by the author of The Martian. It's about life, the universe and everything.

    Here it is: The Egg
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    i am a fan of the idea that a celestial being died and its essence became everything we know, what kind of sacrifice would have to be made to create such wondrous things? (stars, planets, cosmic events, Life, matter e.t.c)

    My knee-jerk internal response to your thread title was " who cares? it is because it is..." but upon further reflection (and to just not be a total dick) the above answer is what i like to think about the most. It seems like a basic kinda method of explaining our existence/creation but i like it, why complicate things? :)
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    My belief/view on existence is that all that can exist does exist. Anything that can't exist doesn't.

    It's kind of like a math equation. 2+2=4 , 2+3 doesn't=4

    2+2=4 exists 2+3=4 doesn't.

    Everything in this universe is interconnected with everything else in this universe via causality.

    There are infinitely many universes that exist. But that doesn't mean that any universe can and does exist.

    A universe that looks identical to this one except where I am currently wearing a hat( I'm not currently wearing a hat) doesn't exist because in order for such a universe to exist there would need to be events leading up to me having a hat on my head as well as all the events that result from that. And all the events leading up to someone identical to me having a hat on their heading and all the events resulting from that would make that parallel universe vastly different from this one. In other words, any parallel universe that do exist probably don't look anything like this... it's not the tv/sci trope where there is an alternative universe where we all have dopplgangers with some slight difference... any parallel universe everything in that universe is interconnected and dependent upon one another. And that interconnectedness would make any parallel universe completely different because everything in that universe would have to make logical sense with every single little thing that exists in that universe. Simply put, whatever can exist does exist. And whatever can't doesn't. To exist simply means it makes logical/mathematical sense. It doesn't mean there is some magical substance to it. You're not really here. You're made up of cells.. which are made up atoms... which are made up of electrons and quarks and other subatomic particles... which are made up of smaller stuff ad-infinitum... nothing exists but as as an abstract. The essence of the universe is simply mathematical and what exists is simply what makes mathematical sense. There is no beginning or end. No center or edge... things go on ad-infinitum. And to exist just means it makes mathematical sense.

    At least that is what my logic and my gut feelings tell me ..and I don't believe there is anyway for us to ever know whether such beliefs are true.
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by danielshole View Post

    It made me realise that much of what we understand about the Universe works as a paradox. With black there is white, with good there is evil. With soft, there is hard; If the Big Bang and the Universe represents everything then the thing that created everything is nothing.
    I think that's something that is touched upon a lot in both philosophy and religious spirituality ... the concept that the only things which exist are actually just relationships between things, not things in themselves. For example lightness only exists as a contrast to darkness, male to female. ....even an object only exists by means of its interactions with other things.

    I don't know if it's so much that it's a concept that people are reluctant to embrace embrace because it doesn't make sense... so much as it's just too intense because it's kind of overwhelming . To me it makes sense... I feel like it's more a matter of I guess disorienting. Nothing truly exists in the sense that we tend to refer to things as existing is a bit a bit overwhelming experience like cliff diving into water filled bottomless chasm .. not the sort of thing people who don't like to get their feet wet would prefer talking about the Kardashians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artificial_Lifeform View Post
    You should read Andy Weir - The Egg.
    It's a short story (one sheet of paper) by the author of The Martian. It's about life, the universe and everything.

    Here it is: The Egg
    Reminds me of the Persian Story Alan Watts once told.


    There once was a Persian man who dies and goes to heaven.
    At heaven's gate's the man knocks and from behind the voice of God calls out and says "Who is there?"
    The man replies, "It is I." So God says, "In this home there is no room for you and I."

    So the man wanders off to meditate on this for 10 years. He returns one day and knocks again. And again God asks, "Who is there?"

    The man replies "It is me." And the gate remains closed with no reply from God. The man leaves yet again and returns in another 10 years. He knocks and God demands again, "Who is there?"

    The man cries out, "It is thyself!" And the gate opens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desire machine View Post
    I think that's something that is touched upon a lot in both philosophy and religious spirituality ... the concept that the only things which exist are actually just relationships between things, not things in themselves. For example lightness only exists as a contrast to darkness, male to female. ....even an object only exists by means of its interactions with other things.

    I don't know if it's so much that it's a concept that people are reluctant to embrace embrace because it doesn't make sense... so much as it's just too intense because it's kind of overwhelming . To me it makes sense... I feel like it's more a matter of I guess disorienting. Nothing truly exists in the sense that we tend to refer to things as existing is a bit a bit overwhelming experience like cliff diving into water filled bottomless chasm .. not the sort of thing people who don't like to get their feet wet would prefer talking about the Kardashians.
    Similar to my thoughts. Many things that exist must exist in relationship to another thing. No such thing that exists exists alone.
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by danielshole View Post
    Similar to my thoughts. Many things that exist must exist in relationship to another thing. No such thing that exists exists alone.
    I think Daoism talks about that sort of stuff, Yin and Yang etc.


     
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