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This is a discussion on INTJ and libertarian/individualistic political theories within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Hello, I have briefly looked at MBTI/political affiliation stats and I was surprised to find INTJ associated with various types ...

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    INFP - The Idealists

    INTJ and libertarian/individualistic political theories

    Hello,
    I have briefly looked at MBTI/political affiliation stats and I was surprised to find INTJ associated with various types of libertarianism*. On a Ron Paul forum the most common type as polled was INTJ also. I haven't seen any stats from countries other than the USA (I am not).

    The reason I am surprised is that those theories tend to be bereft of many "big picture" - with which I associate N types - elements of global/social organisation as well as of the collective effect that individual actions may have on cultural forces and institutions such as religion. I personally tend to think of "libertarianism" as an attempt to build the big picture (community/society/environment/economy) on the basis of a small picture (individual freedom) - yet there are elements of that big picture which this approach seems unlikely to be capable of addressing (if you remove community/environment/religion - from the large picture then it is much more capable).

    Well, this isn't about the grounds of my own theoretical understanding of the world or of libertarianism - I don't want to be thrashed over that. Just to ask: is it true that INTJ has a predilection towards Ron Paul etc? And if so, why? How do these INTJs deal with big picture factors like the possibility of climate change?



    My only INTJ friend has similar political beliefs as do I: left/conservative - though with different logics.


    *please excuse inaccuracies in my use of this term: I use it loosely to mean 'more self determination, less external regulation/constraint'.
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    Unknown Personality

    I'm not involved in politics at all. However, individualism, I am all for.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    I agree with your assessment of Paul lacking "big picture" thinking. IMO, the only worthwhile thing he brings to the table is his foreign policy (which, sadly, his own party laughs at...).
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    INTJ is also the most common type in Stormfront forum (BY A HUGE MARGIN). With this I mean that it doesn't say anything.
    The problem with most MBTI tests is that ISTJ's are basically the INTJ's who don't like depth, who don't like intellectual pursuits, who are concrete thinkers, etc. And let us be honest, who wants to be like this? (not a lot of people, certainly not people who care about about their image, and even people who are not really image-conscious will subconsciously disassociate these traits with themselves). Because of this a lot of ISTJ's are mistyped as INTJ's.
    I think less ISTP's get mistyped as INTP's than ISTJ's as INTJ's, because the distinction is usually made in the 'liking action', 'living in the presence' part in the tests for ISTP's and INTP's (and these characteristics are usually not seen as something negative).


    Almost all MBTI (maybe even all) tests are total trash and worthless. It's normal that almost nobody gets typed as a sensor.
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    INTJ - The Scientists


    I have no clue who Ron Paul is really. I've seen his name thrown around a bit here but think American politics aren't totally interesting to me. We have our own dirt bags to wonder about. Heh.

    I would say that my beliefs are pretty much libertarian though. I really don't think religion has any part in my views as it has little importance to my being, I'd happily see it abolished from any decisions regarding Govt, community. Community and environment however are pretty integral for a larger picture in my view.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by BeauGarcon View Post
    INTJ is also the most common type in Stormfront forum (BY A HUGE MARGIN). With this I mean that it doesn't say anything.
    The problem with most MBTI tests is that ISTJ's are basically the INTJ's who don't like depth, who don't like intellectual pursuits, who are concrete thinkers, etc. And let us be honest, who wants to be like this? (not a lot of people, certainly not people who care about about their image, and even people who are not really image-conscious will subconsciously disassociate these traits with themselves). Because of this a lot of ISTJ's are mistyped as INTJ's.
    I think less ISTP's get mistyped as INTP's than ISTJ's as INTJ's, because the distinction is usually made in the 'liking action', 'living in the presence' part in the tests for ISTP's and INTP's (and these characteristics are usually not seen as something negative).


    Almost all MBTI (maybe even all) tests are total trash and worthless. It's normal that almost nobody gets typed as a sensor.
    I was also surprised to find a big group of INTJs on RevLeft (the internet archenemy of Stormfront) while most of them are at best NFs. That's why MBTI can't really be trusted because people make their own choice on their type and try to create that image. I haven't seen many people that find being an S interesting.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by BeauGarcon View Post
    The problem with most MBTI tests is that ISTJ's are basically the INTJ's who don't like depth, who don't like intellectual pursuits, who are concrete thinkers, etc. And let us be honest, who wants to be like this?
    I think less ISTP's get mistyped as INTP's than ISTJ's as INTJ's, because the distinction is usually made in the 'liking action', 'living in the presence' part in the tests for ISTP's and INTP's (and these characteristics are usually not seen as something negative).
    Interesting points. Except that I can't agree that "It's normal that almost nobody gets typed as a sensor.". I mean, aren't most people typed as sensors? Even on all the internet tests - where, you know, the N types are skewed upwards cause we're all loners.


    I always typed as TP as opposed to FP because the questions had a scent of "do you like to make good decisions or would you rather be irrational?"
    For people whose views are rejected by the norm - and the more so that they are the more they believe them to be absolute - the aura of strategic intellectual INTJ (with clout of IQ) striking against the mass of fairy floss ignoramuses probably seems attractive. Ayd Rand followers probably think they're all INTJs too.

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    Nevertheless, a few people here have claimed individualism/liberty as a preference, which is interesting.

    MORE info from you guys on how to fit big-picture into lib/individualism please :). Or are you all apolitical individualists?
    Last edited by deleted; 06-08-2012 at 03:26 AM. Reason: I talics
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    I'm an American and most of our libertarians are embarrassing as shit. I started listening to the School Sucks podcast, since I was interested in the topic of how crap the education system is, and it turned out the host was libertarian and the whole thing was informed by libertarian ideals. And finally I got a non-idiot explanation of what libertarianism is.

    So, I'd say I have a libertarian streak in me (among others; I'm like political soup), but I find most libertarians to be horribly embarrassing and idiotic. Sorry, we're not going to fix the world by deregulating everything overnight...

    I also don't believe libertarian (or socialist) ideas can be implemented on a large scale without rebuilding the country from the ground-up. Put anything on a rotten foundation, and it will fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sorry_neither View Post
    I'm an American and most of our libertarians are embarrassing as shit. I started listening to the School Sucks podcast, since I was interested in the topic of how crap the education system is, and it turned out the host was libertarian and the whole thing was informed by libertarian ideals. And finally I got a non-idiot explanation of what libertarianism is.

    So, I'd say I have a libertarian streak in me (among others; I'm like political soup), but I find most libertarians to be horribly embarrassing and idiotic. Sorry, we're not going to fix the world by deregulating everything overnight...

    I also don't believe libertarian (or socialist) ideas can be implemented on a large scale without rebuilding the country from the ground-up. Put anything on a rotten foundation, and it will fail.
    Well-said. I'd be all for libertarianism if its talking heads were at least capable of seeing a bigger picture. As it stands, they're no better than the shit we've always had.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Taikand View Post
    That's why MBTI can't really be trusted because people make their own choice on their type and try to create that image. I haven't seen many people that find being an S interesting.
    You mean people can´t be trusted the MBTI is only a System.
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