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    INTJ - The Scientists

    INTJ or INFJ?

    Hello INTJs! I've taken the Myers-Briggs test at least four times, each with an INTJ result. Recently, however, I've been wondering whether or not it's possible that I'm actually an INFJ. At first glance, I do see more of myself in the INTJ description, but I can relate to the INFJ side as well. What's ridiculous is, the most recent time I tested, I had a 100% thinking over feeling preference. I guess my main problem with this is that it makes me seem cold and totally unemotional, when I know that isn't the case. Should I take into account the fact that I'm a female? And that could be why I might be slightly more emotional than an INTJ male?

    If it's worth anything, I have noticed that the only times I show the full extent of my emotions is when I'm with a one or only a few people with whom I am EXTREMELY close (as in, I have known them my whole life or have spent a substantial amount of time with).

    Is it common for INTJs to want to be INFJs just to feel more human and less robotic? haha Any valuable commentary is appreciated :)



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    INFP - The Idealists


    hope this helps, you either prefer feti or tefi

    Well you're right that Ti/Te and Fi/Fe contradict each other; it sounds like you already understand that. Te/Fe (and Ti/Fi) contradict each other because they tell us to approach the same kind of cognitive task in very different ways.

    The Je function asks: "From where should I derive information regarding the proper way to structure and organize my external surroundings? What sort of information should I use for this end and who do I regard as an expert in this area? What groups am I aligning myself with by treating them as the authorities here?"


    Te would tell us to handle this area of cognition in a purely impersonal manner, to conceptualize it purely as a function of structural efficiency. Te encourages us to look at the way others handle the classification and hierarchy of information and to align ourselves with whichever group's organizational standards serve our goals most effectively by creating a common language and measurement system by which things can be categorized and evaluated objectively.


    Fe, on the other hand, would tell us to handle this area of cognition in a more personalized manner, to conceptualize it as an intricate network of loyalties and personal alliances by which we define and rank our relationships to others and the responsibilities they entail. In this way, Fe also seeks to establish an objective standard by which information should be judged collectively, but rather than do this through clinical, impersonal measurements and evaluations, Fe does it by defining different groupings of people and establishing our rights and responsibilities through the social/moral/ethical standards we share with them (or don't share with them, which tends to place us in different groups.)


    So both Je functions are looking for an external source of authority by which to define an objective evaluation system, and both see the needs of the many as > the needs of the few in regards to their respective areas, but Te finds Fe to be too subject to personal/emotional biases and not focused enough on impersonal measurement, while Fe finds Te to be too impersonal and not sensitive to the interpersonal bonds that make up human relationships and mutual responsibilities.


    Sometimes you will see Te types behaving in a way that seems similar to Fe, but you'll find that it's always because they've discovered that showing a surface level of respect for this kind of reasoning serves as a more effective way of completing their Te goals. Likewise, Fe types will sometimes defer to Te and try to handle things in a way that seems like Te, but it's really because they recognize that doing so is a way to influence Te types to listen to them and grant their preferred Fe perspective more credibility/loyalty. If you get down to what people really think, you'll find that, while one may understand the value of the other in theory, each only sees value in the other as a means of furthering the ends his own preferred attitude sees true inherent value in.


    So in short, if you care about Te only because it helps you achieve Fe-oriented goals, that is not genuine Te. It's not really the function in question unless you see inherent value in it for its own sake, with no other concerns diluting your reasoning.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    INTJs can have a strong emotional side too. It's just usually very internalized because they prefer Fi, so their feelings and values are more internal. Since Fi, is the tertiary function, and the other introverted function, it does tend to be pretty accessible to mature INTJs.

    The way I compare INTJs with INFJs is that INTJs tend to value logic and making sure others have a correct understanding than feelings. It's a myth that INTJs don't care about other people's feelings. They do. It's just that being able to follow the train of thinking of others is more important to them than empathizing with their feelings. An error in logic will likely irritate an INTJ more than seeing someone behave in a socially inconsiderate manner. In fact how I usually determine if a person is a Te user or Fe user is by what irritates them. INTJs are more practical. They want their ideas to work in reality.

    INFJs communicate their ideas via Fe, so are a lot more emotionally expressive. When I communicate, I find I take the ideas in my mind that would appeal to a person I know, I try to communicate it in an emotionally compelling way. I'm very very very expressive, and I tend to act out my ideas. An INTJ, however, focuses more on impersonal thoughts, and they'll communicate in a way that shows that they want to you to follow their train of thought. As an INFJ I seek out people that I feel I'll connect with at a deeper emotional level before I share my deeper thoughts and feelings, whereas an INTJ will seek out someone who can follow their logic before they begin revealing their deeper thoughts and feelings.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    hmm I've been wondering this too....sometimes i wonder if I'm really an INFJ...because I'm kind of a jerk to most people if I'm not on my "best manners" which I hate. I dislike social etiquette, but it's necessary because people will think you're really rude if you're not all smiley and lay it out in a nice way. I don't like to lay out the truth with a lot of fluff, I've gotten better at this though....
    I was also not a very cuddly child, nor was I very nice. I got what I wanted and if I wanted that toy doll I took it and I didn't care if the kid cried because of it. but I found that this was very rude and so people have been trying to tell me to do the opposite and it's not natural to me.
    I'm not naturally affectionate, i'm not warm and cuddly. lol
    I usually did my own thing. I'm really good though...at being "nice" and "kind" to others. I think this was a mask at first but then I started getting used to it.
    I've heard other people tell me I use Te...so I dunno
    I still feel like INFJ but I have some doubts....can anyone help me with this?
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    @xEmilyx, @dulcinea hit the nail on the head.

    The key mechanical difference is in the orientation of the Thinking and Feeling functions - or, if your feelings so crave - whether you have a real focus on factual clarity, or expressiveness in your everyday dealings. Te/Fi and Fe/Ti have archetypal relations when used together, which can help establish key empirical differences between these two similar types.

    It's not that INTJ don't value feelings, or that INFJ don't value facthood. It's that the way that these two modes of judgment function in the everyday evaluations both types make are very different. INTJ feelings aren't expressive at all - they're much more hidden, and typically involve a static set of personal values and codes that establish individuality. If one is constantly judging the output or usefulness of something (Te), he/she requires a set of ethics that goes beyond what seems "obvious" from a procedural POV. Life is a system of end results and facts to an INTJ, but eventually they come to realize that there is individuality within the mass of results and facts - including their own.

    This is significantly different from the INFJ, whose logic is not based on output or rote procedure, but on process. Their Ti makes them less typically capitalistic than INTJ, and more purely logical, since their Ti is used as a means of establishing a structure or framework for their causes and missions. For an INTJ, the process is only important if it's influencing the output - for an INFJ, the process is important because the things they wish to get started among others require structural organization and categories if they are to be accessible to the masses.

    INFJ logic is logic for others. INTJ feeling is feeling to complement fact.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Logic shouldn't be associated with robots anymore than emotion should be associated with rabid dogs. In fact, the more logical you are the more human you should consider yourself. The emotional brutes are the inhuman ones.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    I have the exact same problem. I theorize that it's because there are fewer questions F orientated, and those that are will almost always ask you whether your feelings have an influence on your behavior i.e "do you prefer to plan ahead or improvise?" "do you agree that the logical solution is the best?". I think the test assumes that because your emotions do not dictate your actions, you're emotionally sterilized, which is not the case; you can feel emotion, yet not let that direct your behavior in the face of logic. If I had to kill even my closest relative to save a hundred lives, I would do so without hesitance, despite how I feel. This doesn't mean I don't feel anything, it just means that you have a clear direction of what's wrong and right and you will see your ideals through; emotion does not interfere with logic.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Correct me if I'm wrong: INFJs can score high as NTs.

    The difference is their strong Fe, that when triggered, has an almost magnetic pull of emotions that you wouldn't normally see displayed by INTJs.

    Both are very logical, but if you happen to "ping" the INFJ's soft spot, that jello melts and gushes and permeates.

    INTJs will see it coming and pull a matrix move.
    Aha! Emotions. I have evaded you again.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by dulcinea View Post
    INTJs can have a strong emotional side too. It's just usually very internalized because they prefer Fi, so their feelings and values are more internal. Since Fi, is the tertiary function, and the other introverted function, it does tend to be pretty accessible to mature INTJs.

    The way I compare INTJs with INFJs is that INTJs tend to value logic and making sure others have a correct understanding than feelings. It's a myth that INTJs don't care about other people's feelings. They do. It's just that being able to follow the train of thinking of others is more important to them than empathizing with their feelings. An error in logic will likely irritate an INTJ more than seeing someone behave in a socially inconsiderate manner. In fact how I usually determine if a person is a Te user or Fe user is by what irritates them. INTJs are more practical. They want their ideas to work in reality.

    INFJs communicate their ideas via Fe, so are a lot more emotionally expressive. When I communicate, I find I take the ideas in my mind that would appeal to a person I know, I try to communicate it in an emotionally compelling way. I'm very very very expressive, and I tend to act out my ideas. An INTJ, however, focuses more on impersonal thoughts, and they'll communicate in a way that shows that they want to you to follow their train of thought. As an INFJ I seek out people that I feel I'll connect with at a deeper emotional level before I share my deeper thoughts and feelings, whereas an INTJ will seek out someone who can follow their logic before they begin revealing their deeper thoughts and feelings.

    Right on the money!
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by yarrboots View Post
    Aha! Emotions. I have evaded you again.
    YES. Every time I manage to stay calm and detached in a trying situation I feel like I dodged a bullet.
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