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This is a discussion on help me understand emotions. within the INFP Forum - The Idealists forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; Originally Posted by OrangeAppled On a rare occasion, you'll get a more passionate display, but sad to say it's usually ...

  1. #91
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    On a rare occasion, you'll get a more passionate display, but sad to say it's usually in response to a violation, making it a negative feeling.
    Such displays are invariably misunderstood. I have given these displays on a few occasions in my adult life, and they have always been misread.

    And people wonder why INFPs can be a bit mopey.
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  2. #92
    INFP - The Idealists


    How was Jung so smart? Like how did he know these things about types he was not?! It's insane.
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  3. #93
    INTJ - The Scientists


    Quote Originally Posted by Ocelotte View Post

    Yeah, that wasn't overly clear, was it? I meant that, let's say, you take a person who gets angry in certain situations, seems happy in others, disappointed in others, etc., and once you build a full mental picture of that person through observation it might be easier to get along with him or her. I don't know if this is helpful, though, or if you've thought of it already. Is there a specific area of emotions that you're having the most trouble with?
    Unfortunately I don't notice when or what the context is when I notice somebody is happy, but now that you bring it up I'll be sure to focus more on that. :) and its just for personal gain, I don't struggle with anything at the moment no.

    @OrangeAppled sorry I didn't mean chaos as in you guys are all chaotic, I meant chaos as in if its a primitive function for me developing it could bring much chaos in me personally. You've pointed me to some enlightening stuff thanks.
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    INTJ - The Scientists


    Quote Originally Posted by adverseaffects View Post
    How was Jung so smart? Like how did he know these things about types he was not?! It's insane.
    I know huh?
    Although, did you ever hear about his Red Book?

    apparently the guy lost his own mind and did therapy on himself. The red book contains all his writings, there was a ton of drama around it. Very interesting stuff.

    heres the linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(Jung)

    another link an NPR show about it all (really cool!)http://onpoint.wbur.org/2009/09/21/c...et-book/player
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  5. #95
    INFP - The Idealists


    Quote Originally Posted by mr. rozay View Post
    I know huh?
    Although, did you ever hear about his Red Book?

    apparently the guy lost his own mind and did therapy on himself. The red book contains all his writings, there was a ton of drama around it. Very interesting stuff.

    heres the linkRed Book (Jung) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    another link an NPR show about it all (really cool!)Carl Jung's Secret Book | On Point with Tom Ashbrook
    sounds what looks like crazy was really contact with something greater... inside himself and possibly all of us? A person doesn't seem to communicate great art or great truth without some struggle first... some plane they have to reach.. some price to pay... hm... *philosophical musings*
    I will buy that book!

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    INTJ - The Scientists


    Quote Originally Posted by adverseaffects View Post
    sounds what looks like crazy was really contact with something greater... inside himself and possibly all of us? A person doesn't seem to communicate great art or great truth without some struggle first... some plane they have to reach.. some price to pay... hm... *philosophical musings*
    I will buy that book!
    sounds like delusions to me, I dunno. The man built a lifelong reputation so that what he speaks can be credible, then slowly he introduces his delusions. I could see myself pulling that off, I mean if I realized theres no point to my reputation why not have a little fun?

    just sayin...
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  7. #97
    Unknown Personality

    Delusions are involuntary. His interactions with Salome c.s. doesn't sound like that, seeing how he used the term 'active imagination'. Would have to read it to be sure. *puts book on to-read list*

    Yes, Jung's theory, and thus MBTI, is more or less based on a shared, collective unconsciousness. Almost sounds a little buddhistic or hinduistic, in the sense that souls are part of a greater... Soul.

    Or Borg-like. :3

  8. #98
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by mr. rozay View Post
    I don't lock in my emotions meaning, once I feel something I don't allow myself to feel until I understand the whole picture. IE For instance if I was very sensitive about death due to a brother being killed (didn't happen in real life), some random friend could accidentally crack a death joke, my response would be to see what does he intend with his words? Then I match it all up with his body language and voice tone to conclude he is probably joking (although my conclusion isn't certain). I wouldn't allow myself to feel anything except for what was intended. Then later on If i'd be driving home I would be forced to think about the death, and probably feel. Instinctually I'd logically store away the feelings again, and instead bask in nostalgia.

    You read my mind for the first question. I guess I am seeking to understand what the why is (you see how I'm still caught up in the what?).

    with the second, I guess that's an added bonus with trying to understand. :)
    I see. Yes, you are still trying to understand what the why is. The why is not defined by the what; the end result (what) is a product of your motivation (why). You don't use the outcome to explain the driving force behind it. You just can't. I think this would help, if you haven't already seen it:



    A paradigm shift really is necessary for you to know about feelings the way we do. But it's not a natural tendency of yours, and you're not wired to be able to fully understand.

    You can't choose or detain any feelings that come to you, so stop trying. :) You don't store away feelings, except in memory, and you can't remember them unless you feel them first. It all comes back to focusing on the feeling itself, not on the circumstances surrounding it. True, circumstance plays a part in how you feel, but most of what you feel comes from you. Who you are decides your feelings. To a great degree, the things that make you (values/ideals/individuality, in my case) are the filter for all the emotions one could be feeling in a given situation. They choose which feelings you actually feel. Maybe this is just my Fi talking...it sure sounds like it. :S But even though you have way better Fe than Fi, I believe that most everyone has Fi feelings. They simply don't catch on to their existence, or they totally don't "get" them. My main point in this paragraph: stop trying to understand your feelings parallel to what was going on at the time. You can't do that to Fi feelings; it doesn't work, because they're not based on that. A paradigm shift would be necessary, and if you're unwilling to go through that (if anyone ever finds out how), you won't be able to really just...feel.
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  9. #99
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by mr. rozay View Post
    Since we are emotional our emotion over powers logic.

    Very well said by an INFJ,
    Hmpf. What was that INFJ thinking? Naughty INFJ! Neither one overpowers.

    For INFP's emotions are the primary goal. Say, if we felt good about going somewhere we will want to go there again. That also debunks your nice little theory () that there is no logic in emotions. Look at my sig, I am an INFP and yet logical/rational.

    I don't know, maybe I am terribly wrong
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  10. #100
    INFP - The Idealists

    @mr. rozay-- since you brought up etymology and I didn't see that anyone addressed it, emotion comes from the Latin "emovere" which is not just to move, but to move OUT, remove or agitate. Originally in English the word was applied only to extremely strong emotions. I assume this was because they had measurable OUTpourings.

    In terms of ideals being motivation and goal, again, this has an interesting linguistic component...it's built into the Spanish language that way, syntactically and semantically. The preposition used to say you fight for something (like "fight for justice" ) means both "for" and "because of." this is built in regardless of your personality type; thus it is a cultural-linguistic construct for some to structure their ideals this way. The why of that is infer from my experiences with the ideals that I hold; that I believe that the cause is a worthy goal and thus it makes it WORTH fighting for.

    In terms of understanding emotion, many of my INTP friends try to seek a space of what they call "emotional detachment" and some of them do this by finding things theat relax them, like music. I find this funny because they arn't looking for an emotionless state, but rather a particular emotional one--calm. They feel that calm is more conducive to the logical out workings of their minds, but I refrain from pointing out that calm is, in fact, an emotion. I use my emotions to inform my judgment, which to them seems irrational--but for me it's important to be aware of my emotions so that I can be conscious of when they may be clouding my objective judgment, or when my intuition might be helping.

    If you want to feel things more intensely and spontaneously without over analyzing it, try looking at beautiful things, or listening to music and letting yourself be absorbed by it. Or just enjoy the amazing and wonderful and beautiful person you are!


 
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