This is a discussion on help me understand emotions. within the INFP Forum - The Idealists forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; Originally Posted by OrangeAppled On a rare occasion, you'll get a more passionate display, but sad to say it's usually ...
How was Jung so smart? Like how did he know these things about types he was not?! It's insane.
@OrangeAppled sorry I didn't mean chaos as in you guys are all chaotic, I meant chaos as in if its a primitive function for me developing it could bring much chaos in me personally. You've pointed me to some enlightening stuff thanks.
Although, did you ever hear about his Red Book?
apparently the guy lost his own mind and did therapy on himself. The red book contains all his writings, there was a ton of drama around it. Very interesting stuff.
heres the linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(Jung)
another link an NPR show about it all (really cool!)http://onpoint.wbur.org/2009/09/21/c...et-book/player
I will buy that book!
Delusions are involuntary. His interactions with Salome c.s. doesn't sound like that, seeing how he used the term 'active imagination'. Would have to read it to be sure. *puts book on to-read list*
Yes, Jung's theory, and thus MBTI, is more or less based on a shared, collective unconsciousness. Almost sounds a little buddhistic or hinduistic, in the sense that souls are part of a greater... Soul.
Or Borg-like. :3
A paradigm shift really is necessary for you to know about feelings the way we do. But it's not a natural tendency of yours, and you're not wired to be able to fully understand.
You can't choose or detain any feelings that come to you, so stop trying. :) You don't store away feelings, except in memory, and you can't remember them unless you feel them first. It all comes back to focusing on the feeling itself, not on the circumstances surrounding it. True, circumstance plays a part in how you feel, but most of what you feel comes from you. Who you are decides your feelings. To a great degree, the things that make you (values/ideals/individuality, in my case) are the filter for all the emotions one could be feeling in a given situation. They choose which feelings you actually feel. Maybe this is just my Fi talking...it sure sounds like it. :S But even though you have way better Fe than Fi, I believe that most everyone has Fi feelings. They simply don't catch on to their existence, or they totally don't "get" them. My main point in this paragraph: stop trying to understand your feelings parallel to what was going on at the time. You can't do that to Fi feelings; it doesn't work, because they're not based on that. A paradigm shift would be necessary, and if you're unwilling to go through that (if anyone ever finds out how), you won't be able to really just...feel.
For INFP's emotions are the primary goal. Say, if we felt good about going somewhere we will want to go there again. That also debunks your nice little theory () that there is no logic in emotions. Look at my sig, I am an INFP and yet logical/rational.
I don't know, maybe I am terribly wrong
@mr. rozay-- since you brought up etymology and I didn't see that anyone addressed it, emotion comes from the Latin "emovere" which is not just to move, but to move OUT, remove or agitate. Originally in English the word was applied only to extremely strong emotions. I assume this was because they had measurable OUTpourings.
In terms of ideals being motivation and goal, again, this has an interesting linguistic component...it's built into the Spanish language that way, syntactically and semantically. The preposition used to say you fight for something (like "fight for justice" ) means both "for" and "because of." this is built in regardless of your personality type; thus it is a cultural-linguistic construct for some to structure their ideals this way. The why of that is infer from my experiences with the ideals that I hold; that I believe that the cause is a worthy goal and thus it makes it WORTH fighting for.
In terms of understanding emotion, many of my INTP friends try to seek a space of what they call "emotional detachment" and some of them do this by finding things theat relax them, like music. I find this funny because they arn't looking for an emotionless state, but rather a particular emotional one--calm. They feel that calm is more conducive to the logical out workings of their minds, but I refrain from pointing out that calm is, in fact, an emotion. I use my emotions to inform my judgment, which to them seems irrational--but for me it's important to be aware of my emotions so that I can be conscious of when they may be clouding my objective judgment, or when my intuition might be helping.
If you want to feel things more intensely and spontaneously without over analyzing it, try looking at beautiful things, or listening to music and letting yourself be absorbed by it. Or just enjoy the amazing and wonderful and beautiful person you are!