[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Q1. Concentration Camp
This was an easy one to answer. There is no reason to condemn another person to die for my actions. I'll pull the chair away. Yeah, that's horrible, but my son would understand.

Q2.Emergency Affair. ATTEMPT (low %) to save your spouse that turns out has been cheating on you, or save ensure the survival of spouses lover (guaranteed).
Well since you said I can't find loopholes, I guess it'd be stupid to ask for help. But since I can't do that, I guess I'm forced to help the person that is most in need, which is the guy bleeding to death. From what I understand, he will die very quickly if he is not helped. This has nothing to do with the fact she cheated on me. I would be telling my wife I love her the whole time. There's no reason not to hope she'll be saved, right?

Upon further reflection however, it would be hard for me NOT to work on my wife and do what I can to save her. That'd be probably what I do in that situation. I'd feel really bad letting someone die though...but I guess I can't abandon my family.

Q3. Your daughter has been raped in the past by your neighbor (has gone unpunished). Later, the neighbor's wife has been murdered, but based on you witnessing him at a restaurant the other night, it seems unlikely he was the perpetrator. Still he is facing conviction and will likely be found guilty. What would you do?
Tell the police that he was at the restaurant and tell them about the rape as well. I'm pretty sure they take child rape pretty damn seriously, whether or not there's evidence. Anyways, I'd tell the police that he was at the restaurant because there's no knowing whether his wife was a hired hit or the killer is still at large.

Q4. Pregnant woman, she is stuck (in both senses of the term) in a cave with a group of others. They will all drown upon the impending waves, but one man has dynamite that will help set them free, but ultimately kill the pregnant woman.
Nope, it's not right to condemn one person to die so that the rest may live. That's what happened on the Essex. Now, if the woman was willing to make a noble sacrifice...it'd still be freaking hard to know you're going to kill someone. I guess I have to die...

Q5. Car accident resulting in death. You are at fault, but another person comes by and she believes it was her doing. She seems ready to fess up to it which will likely result in a jail sentence. Will you acknowledge it was your fault and go to jail?
I'd admit I was at fault. Firstly because it's the right thing to do, and secondly because it's going to be very obvious based on the damage to my car and the blood and flesh on it that I killed them.



Q6. Bombs placed in multiple crowded areas. Many lives potentially lost, the perpetrator has been apprehended, but will not divulge information. Torture is an open to make him open up -- do you think it's justifiable in this situation? What if he refuses to talk? Do you believe we should torture his wife if it's the only means of making him talk?
Yes, in my opinion, this is a good instance to use torture on a person. He isn't going to die, and he stubbornly refuses to give up. This is the old Dirty Harry dilemma. However, his wife should not be used to get him to confess.

[FaveteLinguis]

Q1. Concentration Camp -- help kill your own child, or watch your child + an innocent man die as well.

This one is the hardest to answer, unfortunately I think your hands are tainted no matter what. I'd have to kick the chair out.

Q2.Emergency Affair. ATTEMPT (low %) to save your spouse that turns out has been cheating on you, or save ensure the survival of spouses lover (guaranteed).

Go for the guaranteed, affair or not, personal conviction shouldn't take precedence when a life is certain to be saved.

Q3. Your daughter has been raped in the past by your neighbor (has gone unpunished). Later, the neighbor's wife has been murdered, but based on you witnessing him at a restaurant the other night, it seems unlikely he was the perpetrator. Still he is facing conviction and will likely be found guilty. What would you do?

Easy, let him be convicted.

Q4. Pregnant woman, she is stuck (in both senses of the term) in a cave with a group of others. They will all drown upon the impending waves, but one man has dynamite that will help set them free, but ultimately kill the pregnant woman.

Eh the impending kid was pivotal in this one. I'd rather have that kid have a chance at life, than let others go on when they've already lived out theirs.

Q5. Car accident resulting in death. You are at fault, but another person comes by and she believes it was her doing. She seems ready to fess up to it which will likely result in a jail sentence. Will you acknowledge it was your fault and go to jail?

Easy, go to jail.

Q6. Bombs placed in multiple crowded areas. Many lives potentially lost, the perpetrator has been apprehended, but will not divulge information. Torture is an open to make him open up -- do you think it's justifiable in this situation? What if he refuses to talk? Do you believe we should torture his wife if it's the only means of making him talk?

Meh, toture the dude. If he refuses to talk, let the world burn then. His wife shouldn't have to suffer for his actions.

[krentz]

My, you are quite the social scientist, aren't you? You remind me of a friend of mine who took particular delight in posing these kinds of impossible situations on me. I only shudder to think how much of my inner workings he was able to glean from my responses. Nevertheless, like a moth to the flame, here I come.

Q1. Concentration Camp -- help kill your own child, or watch your child + an innocent man die as well.

If there was really, truly and literally no other way out of this, I would help to kill my own child, and I would assure him that wherever he was going, I wouldn't be far behind him. I tend to be a man of my word.

Q2.Emergency Affair. ATTEMPT (low %) to save your spouse that turns out has been cheating on you, or save ensure the survival of spouses lover (guaranteed).

It's very difficult to gauge how I would react without actually placing myself in the situation. Therefore I can only speculate. However, if there was a 33% or greater chance of my spouse's survival, I would, perhaps, attempt to save them. Otherwise, I would save their lover. I would surely think of them as the most magnificent of bastards, but out of respect for the love they had for a person I once cared for, and out of the sheer mathematical probabilities, I could not allow myself to let two people die needlessly out of my own selfishness.

Q3. Your daughter has been raped in the past by your neighbor (has gone unpunished). Later, the neighbor's wife has been murdered, but based on you witnessing him at a restaurant the other night, it seems unlikely he was the perpetrator. Still he is facing conviction and will likely be found guilty. What would you do?

Usually I am committed to the proper course of justice, but in this case I would remain silent. While I do not condemn people for merely having paedophilic urges, as I believe it is beyond their control, I certainly do for acting on them, and rape is one of the grossest violations imaginable, never mind to a child! Not only that, but there is no guarantee that he would not go on to make other people and children suffer. Wrongly convicted perhaps, but with the right result nonetheless. An eye for an eye may make the whole world blind, but I would need to see him pay for what he did, as he clearly has no remorse of his own from which to feel the impact.

The only exception to this is if my daughter herself did not want to see him convicted for a crime he did not commit. My ultimate loyalty would be to her. Otherwise, the above stands.

Q4. Pregnant woman, she is stuck (in both senses of the term) in a cave with a group of others. They will all drown upon the impending waves, but one man has dynamite that will help set them free, but ultimately kill the pregnant woman.

That depends on whether everyone could live with the death of a pregnant woman on their conscience for the rest of their days. I would be tempted to call for a majority vote, as sadistic as it sounds. I personally would choose to escape. At least the both of them can go together, as little consolation as it is.

Q5. Car accident resulting in death. You are at fault, but another person comes by and she believes it was her doing. She seems ready to fess up to it which will likely result in a jail sentence. Will you acknowledge it was your fault and go to jail?

Yes. Without question. I have always felt a strong sense of accountability that way, to do otherwise would lead not also to the conviction of an innocent woman but also to the erosion of meaning in my personal values and an even greater hypocrisy. Though it depends on the definition of a 'very long time'. I don't think I could survive in a prison environment for many years or decades - nor would I even want to. But as to whether I could live with that woman's condemnation on my mind for so long... I am tempted to say I would confess. If not immediately, then soon enough.

Q6. Bombs placed in multiple crowded areas. Many lives potentially lost, the perpetrator has been apprehended, but will not divulge information. Torture is an open to make him open up -- do you think it's justifiable in this situation? What if he refuses to talk? Do you believe we should torture his wife if it's the only means of making him talk?

I do not believe it is in any way justifiable to torture an innocent. But I would permit the action regardless as the needs of the many must come first. As heartless as it sounds, when difficult decisions must be made, they must be made confidently and promptly or everything will be lost.

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As an afterthought, and after reading others' responses, it should be noted that I responded to the hypothetical situations as they were presented - not my interpretations of them nor my personal thoughts on how things would pan out in reality.

[adverseaffects]

all) Cry and pray.

[telepariah]

1. I would not accept either of the guard's options but would fight the guard to the death if necessary.

2. Since the rules of triage could not apply given the time constraints, I would attempt to save my spouse.

3. I would tell the truth about what I saw.

oops, I skipped the 4th one. 4. I would not dynamite the pregnant woman.

6. Again, I would tell the truth.

5. I would not torture anyone.

[SLeigh]

Question 1: I would not pull the chair out, no matter what they said they would do.
Question 2: I would tend to my spouse. If I could, I would try stem the flow of blood from the other person as well. My personal feelings about the affair would not come into play. I would try to save both but focus on my loved one more.
Question 3: I say nothing and let the cards fall where they may.
Question 4: We prepare to die and hope for a miracle LOL!
Question 5: While tempting, the crime scene investigators would surely know it was my car she hit. I would let them work it out. There may be a reason why this woman thinks that she is the one that hit the person. I didn't see what was hit until afterwards so it may not have been me. I would let the police handle what they think happened and accept the consequences as they come.
Question 6: No. Torture will not be used especially when you can't prove he is the one who did it. Let the cards fall where they may.

[IAmMe2010]

Now this took me a little while, but I did my best to answer these questions as honestly as I could with what I believe I would have done in these situations, but I mean really, I can tell you what I think I would do all day, the truth is no one really knows what they would do until we are faced with them our selves...but! I did my best

Q1. Concentration Camp --

...Well, in such a situation, were I pressed up against the wall like that, I would probably stop to have a meaningful talk with my son
about life and death and where it all leads us, I would pray a prayer of deliverance with him and tell him that I love him incredibly,
and at the last moment I would launch myself at the guard and attack him, doing my best to kill him before he kills anyone else,yes I will most likely be killed
but I will at least have a made a decision I could die with instead of a decision I could never live with...being in a concentration camp every day is already a living hell anyway...

Q2.Emergency Affair.
In such a situation, were I the only emergency worker there,first I could call for back up immediately,
then I would probably give the bleeding out woman something to hold to her wound in order to stop the bleeding her self(I would put her own life in her own hands),
then I would concentrate all effort into saving my spouse, hoping that help would arrive in time...

Q3. Your daughter has been raped, What would you do?
I would probably talk to my daughter about the whole thing,if she didn't want me to say anything I probably wouldn't, the man would use this alibi anyway. If she felt that telling the police this information was the right thing to do I would probably tell a second party what I had seen, someone who would be likely to produce the evidence(rather than tell the police directly which I couldn't do) and then let what will happen happen. If the man had hired someone then I expect the truth will be eventually figured out.

Q4. Pregnant woman...
So basically you are asking me if I would blow up a woman in order to save myself and others...
If she could get in why can't she just get out? My first move would be to do my utmost hardest
to get her out of that spot(I don't really understand why
the rock can't just be beaten upon and crumbled away, it is sea rock and will already be brittle, I mean come on this is a life we are talking about! No amount of effort would be too much)
If worse came to worse,I would probably ask the pregnant woman what she wanted, if she was willing to sacrifice herself and her unborn baby for everyone else,
I guess(because there will be other people who desperately wanted to live in there, she would, at the very end be blown up...but I would force the person who brought the dynamite to do it(never mind that he brought live dynamite into a delicate cave system in the first place)
-_- I'm not very comfortable with that ending but if worst came to worst this is probably what would happen...

Q5. Car accident resulting in death.
If it was without doubt my fault I would confess the whole thing to being my fault, I've already done something I can't rightly live with, I couldn't go on believing I had not just ended one but two lives that day due my own incompetence...

Q6. Bombs placed in multiple crowded areas.

Now this is not really a hard one. First thing first, start evacuation procedures to remove people from the "danger zone". Have bomb squads and bomb dogs out there searching for the bombs, this is what they are trained for. Then when all this has been put into action, concentrate on the guy. Start out with talking and general psychology, get into the mans head, appeal to some sense of something. If you can't then I suppose some level of torture would be in order,of course this would be the last straw, but personally, even if he did say something under the pressure of torture what makes you think he's going to tell the truth, If it were me I would probably abandon the man all together as a way of finding the bombs, it sounds like he's pretty far gone mentally anyway ... and finally, LEAVE HIS WIFE OUT OF IT, this is not her fault and even then, if the man doesn't care about the lives of others then what makes you think he's going to give a care about his wife...now you could probably bring the wife in to talk some sense into him...that's certainly a direction I would go in....

[roxy]

Regardless of your responses, I appreciate and respect everyone that shares their thoughts. There are no right or wrong answers and everything can be argued from another angle.

Of course there are right answers and wrong answers. I usually don't care enough to point that out whenever someone makes that st***d assertion (sorry, but I feel very strongly about truth and falsehood and right and wrong, and I fucking hate that mantra) but I like this thread and I'm posting so I should point it out. I especially hate it when discussing ethics and morality because it's absurd to proceed on that premise. And I'm sure you, @Lad, don't want a bunch of choice A/B answers. You want answers that actually add to your understanding, right ?

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Q1. Concentration Camp -- help kill your own child, or watch your child + an innocent man die as well.

I wouldn't do it. In a choice between death and enslavement, give me death.

Q2.Emergency Affair. ATTEMPT (low %) to save your spouse that turns out has been cheating on you, or save ensure the survival of spouses lover (guaranteed).

I would kiss her and then try to save the man. He must have some merit if she chose him.

Q3. Your daughter has been raped in the past by your neighbor (has gone unpunished). Later, the neighbor's wife has been murdered, but based on you witnessing him at a restaurant the other night, it seems unlikely he was the perpetrator. Still he is facing conviction and will likely be found guilty. What would you do?

I don't know.

Q4. Pregnant woman, she is stuck (in both senses of the term) in a cave with a group of others. They will all drown upon the impending waves, but one man has dynamite that will help set them free, but ultimately kill the pregnant woman.

If I was one of the group I would dynamite her. The fact that she is pregnant doesn't change anything other than her size. You can think of every other person in the group as negative-n-months pregnant.

Q5. Car accident resulting in death. You are at fault, but another person comes by and she believes it was her doing. She seems ready to fess up to it which will likely result in a jail sentence. Will you acknowledge it was your fault and go to jail?

I would take the blame but then try to escape punishment.

Q6. Bombs placed in multiple crowded areas. Many lives potentially lost, the perpetrator has been apprehended, but will not divulge information. Torture is an open to make him open up -- do you think it's justifiable in this situation? What if he refuses to talk? Do you believe we should torture his wife if it's the only means of making him talk?

My best strategy is to torture him and his wife and his one-year-old kid. His best strategy is to stay quiet anyway. Eventually one of us wins.

[PrinceinExile]

No Loopholes, fuck that rules are made to be broken. I don't deal in un-winnable scenarios, every road leads to "a" victory.

Q1. Concentration Camp -- help kill your own child, or watch your child + an innocent man die as well.

They'd be executing me too, my son would have been following my lead if I had one, and If he had run off first I would have been following him.

If they chose to kill him, He would take the chair from his feet and use it to kill at at least one Nazi before he dies so his father could at last not fail to protect him in the afterlife.

Q2.Emergency Affair. ATTEMPT (low %) to save your spouse that turns out has been cheating on you, or save ensure the survival of spouses lover (guaranteed).

I'm polyamorous if my lover had another lover it be of no concern to me, neither would be their lover. I'd save my lover, there other lover is none of my concern, I've sworn to protect those I chose to care for to the rest of the world I'm cold. Now if it was my best friend that be a sadist choice.


Q3. Your daughter has been raped in the past by your neighbor (has gone unpunished). Later, the neighbor's wife has been murdered, but based on you witnessing him at a restaurant the other night, it seems unlikely he was the perpetrator. Still he is facing conviction and will likely be found guilty. What would you do?

He'd already be dead or at least skinned alive and me most likely in prison, there is no unpunished here I'd be sure of it, next question.

Q4. Pregnant woman, she is stuck (in both senses of the term) in a cave with a group of others. They will all drown upon the impending waves, but one man has dynamite that will help set them free, but ultimately kill the pregnant woman.

She will be mourned.

Q5. Car accident resulting in death. You are at fault, but another person comes by and she believes it was her doing. She seems ready to fess up to it which will likely result in a jail sentence. Will you acknowledge it was your fault and go to jail?

Accidental manslaughter I'd be out in a few years, plus from what I hear Prisons have dnd night :p

Q6. Bombs placed in multiple crowded areas. Many lives potentially lost, the perpetrator has been apprehended, but will not divulge information. Torture is an open to make him open up -- do you think it's justifiable in this situation? What if he refuses to talk? Do you believe we should torture his wife if it's the only means of making him talk?

Him, yes I would have no problem torturing him. Those who would take the life an innocent human being are lower than insects. As for the wife this perplexes me, while I have little issue with death, if it serves the greater good. Torturing innocents seems very wrong to me, I could justify not torturing her, I never planted those bombs but if there in planted in my city they could be be near my family, my friends. I made a promise and I'll keep it, I'm an INFP aren't I, a little more self-hate won't hurt right.

(Yes, if my friends or family are in danger.)

wow that was 40 minutes of intense philosophical thought and powerful emotions boiling to the surface.

[Cygnus]

Q1. Concentration Camp -- help kill your own child, or watch your child + an innocent man die as well.

i would watch my child and an innocent man die. i would understand in my logical mind that there is no reason for both to die, but i could not look my child in the eyes and pull the chair out from under him. the only exception would be if my son told me that he wanted me to do it in order to save the other man.


Q2.Emergency Affair. ATTEMPT (low %) to save your spouse that turns out has been cheating on you, or save ensure the survival of spouses lover (guaranteed).

my loyalty would be to my spouse, regardless of their cheating. if there was any chance of saving them, i would do so. i would feel bad for the lover (and probably quite guilty later), though, since i would view them as the more innocent party in the affair.

Q3. Your daughter has been raped in the past by your neighbor (has gone unpunished). Later, the neighbor's wife has been murdered, but based on you witnessing him at a restaurant the other night, it seems unlikely he was the perpetrator. Still he is facing conviction and will likely be found guilty. What would you do?

i'd be tempted to try to tell him that i'd seen him at the restaurant and use it as leverage to get him to turn himself in for raping my daughter (since he'd probably be facing a lesser sentence than the one he'd get for murdering his wife). when it came down to it, i would probably tell the police that i saw him at the restaurant and hope that someday my daughter would talk about the crime.

Q4. Pregnant woman, she is stuck (in both senses of the term) in a cave with a group of others. They will all drown upon the impending waves, but one man has dynamite that will help set them free, but ultimately kill the pregnant woman.

i don't really find either option morally superior. those in the cave are actively killing the woman and her unborn child, or she is passively killing those in the cave (or they are killing themselves). if they make the decision to save her, fine. if they feel that their lives are more valuable, that's understandable, and i wouldn't fault them.

Q5. Car accident resulting in death. You are at fault, but another person comes by and she believes it was her doing. She seems ready to fess up to it which will likely result in a jail sentence. Will you acknowledge it was your fault and go to jail?

i would acknowledge that it was my fault and go to jail. i couldn't enjoy living life knowing that i had 1. killed someone and 2. taken an innocent person's freedom away from them as well.

Q6. Bombs placed in multiple crowded areas. Many lives potentially lost, the perpetrator has been apprehended, but will not divulge information. Torture is an open to make him open up -- do you think it's justifiable in this situation? What if he refuses to talk? Do you believe we should torture his wife if it's the only means of making him talk?

since there is a potentially preventable loss of many lives, the authorities are certain that the bombs had been planted, and the man had the intent to kill, i think that torture would be justifiable. torture of his wife would not be justifiable, since she didn't necessarily have anything to do with it.