[lycanized]

Hey Helena, I don't want to cut your wings but a lot of the comfort you have in your life now is provided by structure. Just imagine you'd have to work on a field everyday or go collect berries just to survive. Sure you'd still be free but in order to survive youd have to focus on resource gathering. In society now that is outsourced so you don't have to. But the downside is that this complex society needs certain rules. For example the bus schedule. Imagine the busdrivers being free spirited and just not driving. Sounds fun right ? =)

I don't think you got my idea, but I really only intended for me to understand it. I use loose wording and am purposefully vague a lot of the time. I have a main idea in that post. Most of my posts that are similar to those are specifically for me to get my mind out. Yeah...rules and the such, but not the kinda rules I have in mind;Those aren't necessary. But I don't want to elaborate.
And I'm not stupid, dude...that's common sense....



Sorry if I'm not making sense...sometimes I get the feeling people don't understand what I'm saying or that I'm not making sense to people lol

[murderegina]

Hey Helena, I don't want to cut your wings but a lot of the comfort you have in your life now is provided by structure. Just imagine you'd have to work on a field everyday or go collect berries just to survive. Sure you'd still be free but in order to survive youd have to focus on resource gathering. In society now that is outsourced so you don't have to. But the downside is that this complex society needs certain rules. For example the bus schedule. Imagine the busdrivers being free spirited and just not driving. Sounds fun right ? =)

That's if that's the world you imagine...



When you're free you have nothing left to lose. And when you're free you don't care about those things.

[virtualvortexrider]

I don't think you got my idea, but I really only intended for me to understand it. I use loose wording and am purposefully vague a lot of the time. I have a main idea in that post. Most of my posts that are similar to those are specifically for me to get my mind out. Yeah...rules and the such, but not the kinda rules I have in mind;Those aren't necessary. But I don't want to elaborate.
And I'm not stupid, dude...that's common sense....

Sorry if I'm not making sense...sometimes I get the feeling people don't understand what I'm saying or that I'm not making sense to people lol

I guess that's one of the differences between Enfp and Infp. INFP wanting to go down deep and the enfps wanting to keep it light.

After re reading I got what you meant. I guess it's your task to do it.

[virtualvortexrider]

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For example the bus schedule. Imagine the busdrivers being free spirited and just not driving. Sounds fun right ? =)

That's if that's the world you imagine...
When you're free you have nothing left to lose. And when you're free you don't care about those things.

I guess that's true. But if being free means away from society then I'd rather have some network around me than being totally free. Would be pointless living if you made no impact on your surroundings and vice versa.

[susurration]

Sorry if I'm not making sense...sometimes I get the feeling people don't understand what I'm saying or that I'm not making sense to people lol

Don't worry Helena, if there's any place on here where you don't have to make perfect sense, it's here.

I think I can understand what you mean, if it counts for anything. You want to carve your own life. Someone once told me 'freedom' is a state of mind; a state of being. Sometimes freedom is not what you think it is. Important thing is, that you create it. Fearlessly. Because living life on your own terms, is the hardest but most worthwhile pursuit. Don't be afraid to let the journey take you somewhere, don't be afraid to see your vision change. Just go with it.

I sound like i'm high, but I swear i'm not

When you're free you have nothing left to lose. And when you're free you don't care about those things.

<3

[Pop Crimes]

Don't worry Helena, if there's any place on here where you don't have to make perfect sense, it's here.

I think I can understand what you mean, if it counts for anything. You want to carve your own life. Someone once told me 'freedom' is a state of mind; a state of being. Sometimes freedom is not what you think it is. Important thing is, that you create it. Fearlessly. Because living life on your own terms, is the hardest but most worthwhile pursuit. Don't be afraid to let the journey take you somewhere, don't be afraid to see your vision change. Just go with it.

I sound like i'm high, but I swear i'm not

Living life on your own terms IS the hardest and most worthwhile pursuit, but there aren't many 2nd/3rd chances in that way of living. When I say "way of living" I mean, your physical life - your finances, your health, your relationships. Usually those things are very difficult to repair once you damage them. For example, money lost and spent is lost and spent. Or, my lungs will forever be damaged by drugs and smoking. My friends and family will always remember the lies I've told and how I've hurt them.

If you live life according to the terms of others, life is easier because if you ever hurt someone or just did something wrong (a wrong that's palpable, tangible), it's easier to be forgiven for it by others, and people will help you right your wrongs because you were doing it to satisfy someone else. Maybe that person who's helping you out of the hole you're in - maybe you're living by that person's terms.

But if you stand in the shadow of no man, you will most likely not receive the help and support of anyone either. Or at least not as much if you chose to stand with the majority. In that sense, I've been really lucky because in my efforts to "live on my own terms" I've messed up big time many times and yet, have managed to get away with it or have someone else fix up my problems.

Now, there are of course some people who can make it on their own, as their own. You know who they are, and it's superfluous to mention them here.

I hope I made sense writing this. I'm not good at doing anything logical. But I try, you know? I try to be logical. It's a wonder I even get through essays at Uni.

I don't think being an INFP is anything special. Well, the wrongs I've done, as multitudinous and varied as they are, although they can be tied back to my INFP personality, are not really that unique - lots of people of other personality types have committed them. Some have gotten away with it, some have not. And most people spend their lives trying to fix those things they've done wrong. Some try to do it on their own terms (live on their own terms, I guess?) and some try not to do any more damage and just live their lives as commonly as possible. Some become great, some succeed and some do not. Whatever it is, most people are encumbered in some way or the other by the crimes they've committed. Popular crimes.

I hope I made sense here (aka I know I didn't, but just pretend that I did )

[virtualvortexrider]

Living life on your own terms IS the hardest and most worthwhile pursuit, but there aren't many 2nd/3rd chances in that way of living. When I say "way of living" I mean, your physical life - your finances, your health, your relationships. Usually those things are very difficult to repair once you damage them. For example, money lost and spent is lost and spent. Or, my lungs will forever be damaged by drugs and smoking. My friends and family will always remember the lies I've told and how I've hurt them.

If you live life according to the terms of others, life is easier because if you ever hurt someone or just did something wrong (a wrong that's palpable, tangible), it's easier to be forgiven for it by others, and people will help you right your wrongs because you were doing it to satisfy someone else. Maybe that person who's helping you out of the hole you're in - maybe you're living by that person's terms.

But if you stand in the shadow of no man, you will most likely not receive the help and support of anyone either. Or at least not as much if you chose to stand with the majority. In that sense, I've been really lucky because in my efforts to "live on my own terms" I've messed up big time many times and yet, have managed to get away with it or have someone else fix up my problems.

Now, there are of course some people who can make it on their own, as their own. You know who they are, and it's superfluous to mention them here.

I hope I made sense writing this. I'm not good at doing anything logical. But I try, you know? I try to be logical. It's a wonder I even get through essays at Uni.

I don't think being an INFP is anything special. Well, the wrongs I've done, as multitudinous and varied as they are, although they can be tied back to my INFP personality, are not really that unique - lots of people of other personality types have committed them. Some have gotten away with it, some have not. And most people spend their lives trying to fix those things they've done wrong. Some try to do it on their own terms (live on their own terms, I guess?) and some try not to do any more damage and just live their lives as commonly as possible. Some become great, some succeed and some do not. Whatever it is, most people are encumbered in some way or the other by the crimes they've committed. Popular crimes.

I hope I made sense here (aka I know I didn't, but just pretend that I did )

You could define sense by quoting that post. I totally agree. Everything has advantages and disadvantages and you have to deal with both. Simple. You just used some more words to explain. ;)

[susurration]

Living life on your own terms IS the hardest and most worthwhile pursuit, but there aren't many 2nd/3rd chances in that way of living. When I say "way of living" I mean, your physical life - your finances, your health, your relationships. Usually those things are very difficult to repair once you damage them. For example, money lost and spent is lost and spent. Or, my lungs will forever be damaged by drugs and smoking. My friends and family will always remember the lies I've told and how I've hurt them.

If you live life according to the terms of others, life is easier because if you ever hurt someone or just did something wrong (a wrong that's palpable, tangible), it's easier to be forgiven for it by others, and people will help you right your wrongs because you were doing it to satisfy someone else. Maybe that person who's helping you out of the hole you're in - maybe you're living by that person's terms.

But if you stand in the shadow of no man, you will most likely not receive the help and support of anyone either. Or at least not as much if you chose to stand with the majority. In that sense, I've been really lucky because in my efforts to "live on my own terms" I've messed up big time many times and yet, have managed to get away with it or have someone else fix up my problems.

Now, there are of course some people who can make it on their own, as their own. You know who they are, and it's superfluous to mention them here.

I hope I made sense writing this. I'm not good at doing anything logical. But I try, you know? I try to be logical. It's a wonder I even get through essays at Uni.

I don't think being an INFP is anything special. Well, the wrongs I've done, as multitudinous and varied as they are, although they can be tied back to my INFP personality, are not really that unique - lots of people of other personality types have committed them. Some have gotten away with it, some have not. And most people spend their lives trying to fix those things they've done wrong. Some try to do it on their own terms (live on their own terms, I guess?) and some try not to do any more damage and just live their lives as commonly as possible. Some become great, some succeed and some do not. Whatever it is, most people are encumbered in some way or the other by the crimes they've committed. Popular crimes.

I hope I made sense here (aka I know I didn't, but just pretend that I did )

Yes, if you decide to 'live on your own terms', you must be prepared to have only your two feet to stand on.

I have attempted 'creating' my own freedom, and I fucked up. Big time. Like you, I luckily had people to fall back on. I have no doubt that if there is a next time, they wont be there.

Searching for "freedom" is never what you think it will be. It's not sunshine, lollipops and rainbows. It's not a means to an end. There is no end. It's a constant negotiation. It's rough, and it's dirty. Sometimes, your ideals are misguided too.

I've lived on the cusp of 'society', in a sense i'm doing it right now. And my personal conception is that the only way to live on my own terms is not an extreme change of setting or social contract, but it is through the means of my own mind; through my thoughts, attitudes, feelings and emotions. Through accepting and knowing the real world. And negotiating my way through it, with courage. Not that I don't think experience can't effect this process- of course it can. That said, my conception of living life on my own terms, may be different from a lot of other peoples', and indeed the attitudes of those with extroverted preferences. This is just the 'insight' a long period of isolation has given me personally.

Anyway, i'm rambling. But good post PopC *nods*

[SenhorFrio]

the other day in english we watched a nice movie called"unthinkable" about a terrorist who gets tourtured and stuff. so this started a discussion about torture. i only have one friend who is flato ut against torture, it really bothered me, torture is inhuman illegal and is proven to be ineffective and they don't give a damn. got me to thinking how moral-less my generation is. the future is fucked

[refugee]

why can't pure love exist? i want so bad to love and to be loved by someone special, but it's so damn hard to come out of my shell