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This is a discussion on How many of us are empaths? within the INFP Forum - The Idealists forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; Originally Posted by Valiant I don't like pretending such childish things exists, I'm not as special as I like to ...

  1. #41
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant View Post
    I don't like pretending such childish things exists, I'm not as special as I like to think. I'm an empathic person, but I don't have any mystical powers. My body is all I have.
    I went to an empath forum after testing as empathic and.....I literally got anxious...needed to get out asap after reading some of the stuff there. I couldn't handle it.

    ....I might as well believe in Santa, because Santa sounds more plausible.



    I read body language and can read through intuition behind people's intent, tonality of voice, what they are saying and I understand the situation in a more general way. It makes it easier for me to get at the truth of what is going on with someone, however there is no magic in what I do. Its all logical, I just observe the clues people give off and deduce possibilities, which then I can test to get to a probability. Then I can ask or guide them through talk into seeing if what I thought was true or not.

    When you see someone is down and then you ask if they are okay, they say that they are okay then turn away and their face looks like someone just died, then you figure out that nobody has really been talking to this girl at this party and all sorts of other pieces come together in your head, then yeah...you'll quickly grasp the whole picture of what is actually going on with them, then you put yourself in that situation and interpret it as if you were her. BINGO.
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  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rim View Post
    I went to an empath forum after testing as empathic and.....I literally got anxious...needed to get out asap after reading some of the stuff there. I couldn't handle it.

    ....I might as well believe in Santa, because Santa sounds more plausible.

    I read body language and can read through intuition behind people's intent, tonality of voice, what they are saying and I understand the situation in a more general way. It makes it easier for me to get at the truth of what is going on with someone, however there is no magic in what I do. Its all logical, I just observe the clues people give off and deduce possibilities, which then I can test to get to a probability. Then I can ask or guide them through talk into seeing if what I thought was true or not.

    When you see someone is down and then you ask if they are okay, they say that they are okay then turn away and their face looks like someone just died, then you figure out that nobody has really been talking to this girl at this party and all sorts of other pieces come together in your head, then yeah...you'll quickly grasp the whole picture of what is actually going on with them, then you put yourself in that situation and interpret it as if you were her. BINGO.
    There's a difference between being empathic and being intuitive... Empaths typically are intuitive, but just because someone is intuitive it doesn't make them an empath. I guess I think the difference is that I can feel someone's emotions even when I'm not with them. My grandma had a stroke a few months ago, and the night she had her stroke I had this horrible feeling that just hit me for no reason. I found out later about the stroke, and the horrible feeling made sense. It's fine if you think I'm being crazy or reading too much into things, but I know what I've experienced. So do other empaths. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it isn't real.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by glisten View Post
    There's a difference between being empathic and being intuitive... Empaths typically are intuitive, but just because someone is intuitive it doesn't make them an empath. I guess I think the difference is that I can feel someone's emotions even when I'm not with them. My grandma had a stroke a few months ago, and the night she had her stroke I had this horrible feeling that just hit me for no reason. I found out later about the stroke, and the horrible feeling made sense. It's fine if you think I'm being crazy or reading too much into things, but I know what I've experienced. So do other empaths. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it isn't real.
    You have to prove how you did that for it to be validated as knowledge. I feel other people's emotions as well. Its how I described it above. The entire process is automated in me and fast, but I know how it works. It makes sense and is scientifically valid, accepted. Their emotions don't become my emotions thou.

    Belief only makes it a possibility not certainty. If something like this exists it needs to be evaluated and the principle behind it needs to be found, not labelled as magical.

    For example for many years people knew that altruistic thought is connected to the heart, love is connected to the heart, but only recently did we discover that the part of the brain responsible for these positive feelings is actually connected to the heart. If you meditate in a way that promotes these positive feelings, you not only become more caring, but also will benefit from a healthier heart.

    I'm not exactly saying this stuff doesn't exist, the possibility is there, just that the way people tend to approach this is equal to believing in santa a or sometimes worse. I can't help but think its naive in some way.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rim View Post
    You have to prove how you did that for it to be validated as knowledge. I feel other people's emotions as well. Its how I described it above. The entire process is automated in me and fast, but I know how it works. It makes sense and is scientifically valid, accepted. Their emotions don't become my emotions thou.

    Belief only makes it a possibility not certainty. If something like this exists it needs to be evaluated and the principle behind it needs to be found, not labelled as magical.

    For example for many years people knew that altruistic thought is connected to the heart, love is connected to the heart, but only recently did we discover that the part of the brain responsible for these positive feelings is actually connected to the heart. If you meditate in a way that promotes these positive feelings, you not only become more caring, but also will benefit from a healthier heart.

    I'm not exactly saying this stuff doesn't exist, the possibility is there, just that the way people tend to approach this is equal to believing in santa a or sometimes worse. I can't help but think its naive in some way.
    No, it shouldn't be treated as magical. I'm sure there's science behind it, but people are so reluctant to believe in psychic abilities (which are not magical... they are latent and can be activated in any one of us) that there's very little work done on this. The work that is done on psychic abilities is often swept under the rug. There have been numerous psychological studies which essentially prove psychic phenomena, but society still says it's impossible.

    Have Scientists Finally Discovered Evidence for Psychic Phenomena? | Psychology Today

    I'm not claiming magical powers here, just an evolutionary development of the human mind.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by glisten View Post
    I'm not claiming magical powers here, just an evolutionary development of the human mind.
    I'll agree with this. Its a healthy approach imo ^^. Thx for the link as well. This stuff is fascinating, more science needs to be done on it in an effort to understand what is happening.

    Telepathy would be fun to have one day.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by glisten View Post
    Hahaha, I do not have a mental condition! Besides a little mild anxiety. And I told my friend about a dream I had, and he was the one who told me that the very same thing already happened that day. He was just as freaked out as I was. So I have a witness and everything :

    You're very logical and reluctant to believe anything like this, so I won't push it on you any further. If there's anyone who would like help or advice, though, I'm always here :)
    You know, I bet you must have an awesome talent in talking to people, listening to them and giving good suggestions. I believe that is true and it deserves a compliment. . I think it's wonderful that we have people like you who can move others into the right direction. My question to you is: is this the thing that it's really about for you? Because if it is, then in my opinion you can define the word empathy for you as being a listener, communicator and perhaps a somewhat "positive manipulator".

    Anyways I'm glad you believe in something and I bet there's lots left to explore for you.
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael82 View Post
    You know, I bet you must have an awesome talent in talking to people, listening to them and giving good suggestions. I believe that is true and it deserves a compliment. . I think it's wonderful that we have people like you who can move others into the right direction. My question to you is: is this the thing that it's really about for you? Because if it is, then in my opinion you can define the word empathy for you as being a listener, communicator and perhaps a somewhat "positive manipulator".

    Anyways I'm glad you believe in something and I bet there's lots left to explore for you.
    I guess it's about being there for people when they need me more than anything. I don't give advice/suggestions unless I'm asked for them, but I'm always willing to listen and give people a helping hand :)
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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rim View Post
    I read body language and can read through intuition behind people's intent, tonality of voice, what they are saying and I understand the situation in a more general way. It makes it easier for me to get at the truth of what is going on with someone, however there is no magic in what I do. Its all logical, I just observe the clues people give off and deduce possibilities, which then I can test to get to a probability. Then I can ask or guide them through talk into seeing if what I thought was true or not.
    yeah, this sounds more reasonable way to describe it. I don't believe in the magical thinking of empathy. I think of it more as a heightened intuitive sense or something derived from picking up on subtleties which are not always apparent in the conscious mind. But I don't fancy it being a psychic or magical phenomena since this suggests the source of the ability is based outside the mind.
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  9. #49
    INFP - The Idealists


    I met a person just two times. I told him I wasn't feeling well, but I wished him well! I told him I tried to briefly isolate myself in tenth grade by imagining myself in a bubble during a boring AP World lecture. Very very vague confession. I was actually quite the sane kid. However, he told me about his disability in a lot more detail than I bargained....
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