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This is a discussion on Fighting for something within the INFP Forum - The Idealists forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; Originally Posted by oversoulspark I don't know what a pot looks like. I think Vaan has a point, what if ...
This is a sensitive subject from reading everyone's posts, and it obvious that each one must make a conscious decision to pick up a sword or lay it down. Weigh the decision with caution, thinking of the final ending you wish.
If one is walking home at night and some stranger walks up and starts to hit them, would it not be practical to protect ones self by defending ones self against the assailant by any means necessary to prevent harm being done? This is a random chance meeting and the consequences could be final. The logical conclusion would be ...
If someone is being attacked resulting from a conscious stand to protest something, be it political, religious, social, or <fill in the blank> and refuses to take a retaliatory violent approach after being violently assaulted, what does that say about the depth of their character? Their dedication and integrity?
I can not say that violence or pacificism is always called for, we all must choose our battles.
And no by my logic you should be "Replacing" those governments and coorporations with ones that you feel would do the best, but then there will be alot of people that will hate that government and those coorporations so really nothing will have changed. No point trying to change something that dosent change as an entity, only in form. You can dress a monkey up as a human and call it a human but its still a monkey ^^.
Imo the best plan for peace is acceptance and respect. When we learn to accept our fellow man, then we are closer to peace. This is something every individual can learn for themselves and pass it on through example to their children. It's slow but effective.
As an individual anarchist I can tell you from experience that trying to control others only leads to them rebelling against you. There is no intricate plan that can lead to peace. The best plans are simple ones.
Give people the freedom and meet their basic needs. Healthy, free people from free, healthy environments don't run around displaying violent behavior towards others.
I want to change to world. I want that change to happen in a non violent way and I will always chose that route whenever I can. Nonetheless, change may in reality have to occur with a bang rather than with a whimper no matter what I would prefer.
And while the seeds I want to help sow are in themselves the seeds of loving kindness and peace, the tree that may grow out of them, driven by forces beyond my control, yes, perhaps even by fate itself, could turn out to be a tree of judgement. But if that is to be, so be it. I can only do what I must.
I would just like to interrupt this thread to say that, after coming across the typo 'pacificism' I then began to wonder if such a thing as Atlanticism existed, and quick Google search turned up this funky little article. Interestingly enough it seems to be a political term, too.
Anyway, I will fight in self-defense and on behalf of others where I deem appropriate. I abhor violence but have no qualms about employing force if it becomes necessary, and as much as it pains me to admit, sometimes it is very necessary.
Though I find myself fighting (verbally...never physically), I try not to. We aren't supposed to be indifferent or apathetic, though. My God tells me to fight for the truth and what's good. In order to fight for what is right, I look to passages like this one:
"Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, ..."
Even if you aren't Christian or religious, this is has a good method for fighting what is wrong. Hold onto the truth, be truthful, be loving, and stay strong in your morals. With most "bad" you can overcome and even enlighten them with love, truth, and their respect when they see you holding fast to your morals. I've witnessed it myself. Any "evil" that can't be fought like this isn't changeable.
I fight, and I wont stop fighting! And not in a violent physical sense but in the loving caring sense, I'll use my caring and loving nature to fight, and if i have to use physical force to make that love shine I will, and if I have to hurt others to protect those i love and fight for those I love, i will! and I will not murder or torture nor will I allow others to! I have been tagged as a fighter from birth and I have been fighting since, and I will not stop nor allow others to stop fighting, where other lose hope i will replace it! Because I believe there is something to fight for! I fight with the darkness for the good, I use the knowledge I have of the darkness against itself to protect those I love around me! To fight for what you believe is the best reason to fight above all, but if what you believe is immoral and wrong then more the reason to give up!