[FleetFox]

I'm going to try to refrain from giving my whole history and experiences with religion and such to a minimum. But basically I was raised Catholic, but yet I wouldn't consider my family a very religious one either. An example would be that I haven't even gone to church probably for at least 4 or 5 years.

Anyway, as I've gotten older my views have changed. I consider myself a spiritual person, I believe in God, but not in the same way I did when I was a young boy. I think now that I'm older I understand the complexity of the universe even more, which doesn't really mean I understand it anymore . I guess it would be hard to describe how I envision God, but that God to me can appeal to all my senses and also none. God can live through me, or me through God. That's probably the worst way I could ever explain it, I'd do better to quote someone but I'm a little lazy. Anyways, to my point...


I was never a big proponent for evolution. I do, however, see it as a good explanation as how mankind could have changed over the years. I accept it, yet I don't as well. Maybe it's me as an INFP, but I'm not fully invested in accepting it into my belief until it stands some long test of time most likely. I think Darwin's discovery is amazing, but I also think he had some ideas that I find appauling. Like for instance, I don't believe we should let the weak die off. I think there are weak people in our society BECAUSE of many bad decisions made throughout history by governments and such to put people in such situations. I believe in helping people (INFP much? )

The generation I live in could definitely be described as "Godless", at least when considering the majority of young American's these days. I don't mean this to be offensive, but from my experience it's an understatement. People can believe, or not believe, what they want - - that is their right. But I do believe, from a sociology standpoint, its hard to deny there will be an impact from this on future generations. What that will be is speculation right now.



A psychology textbook I'm currently reading put it the best way I could think of, and also helped to clear it up my head a bit. It mentioned that science is explains "what" we are and "how" mankind came to where we are now, and that religion is more about "who" (in regards to creation) and "why" we are here on a grand scale and also how to live our lives.

So does anyone else here believe in God and evolution?

[tabbee]

i believe in God and everything the bible says.
do i believe in evolution? maybe, i don't see how it couldn't happen? maybe excluding that we came from monkeys, then again who knows.
i never understood that. why people get so worked up with 'religion' and science like the two cant coexist.
of course they can.
God made all creatures of the earth, they evolve, they die out, man studies them, calls it science. bam. its all the same.
we just label things.
you have to remember facts and what not are decided true by man, whom are no greater than you and I. Who is to say they are 100% correct?
i just let things be. I realize im never going to know everything and i think a lot of times we're not suppose to.

Everything makes so much more sense when you finally reassure yourself that you're going to die one day, no one will ever know everything and what you think you may know may not be true. and years from now, the same questions will be asked, new ones will be brought up, but life keeps on going. day and night day and night. we live and we die.

[susurration]

I was never a big proponent for evolution. I do, however, see it as a good explanation as how mankind could have changed over the years. I accept it, yet I don't as well. Maybe it's me as an INFP, but I'm not fully invested in accepting it into my belief until it stands some long test of time most likely. I think Darwin's discovery is amazing, but I also think he had some ideas that I find appalling. Like for instance, I don't believe we should let the weak die off. I think there are weak people in our society BECAUSE of many bad decisions made throughout history by governments and such to put people in such situations. I believe in helping people

Well, your position regarding helping people seems more old school sociological and quite political (dammit, I forget what sociologist postulated it, but someone argued a while back that all problems are generally originated in society, and they weren't some extremist political theorist, I know for certain they were a sociologist, and it wasn't marx!!). I don't really agree wholly.

I don't think whether something seems appalling to you makes it any less true. I think trying to apply Darwinian theory to socio cultural concerns in humans is often lost in obscurity (bias and such, and I don't know if it's always appropriate). I think it's better to address 'evolution' more from a biological point of view.

[CynicallyNaive]

I lean fairly strongly toward theistic evolution. God created humankind, but non-random evolution may have been a means (although, as a historical event, it's outside the strict purview of science). At any rate, I believe macroevolution has some empirical basis, so it certainly seems as though God is using it now.

One theistic evolutionist worth knowing about is Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health in the US.

[robitussin]

evolution explains how creatures can evolve all on their own without a god. it doesn't need divine intervention to start it or to work. why would god even create something that looks just like it refutes his existence?? this isn't something you can just be on the fence about forever.

bleh, i'm not up to debating anyone, i'm just saying.

[Absurdist]

How could you believe one is more plausible than the other.

[robitussin]

How could you believe one is more plausible than the other.

their sources.

[tabbee]

evolution explains how creatures can evolve all on their own without a god. it doesn't need divine intervention to start it or to work. why would god even create something that looks just like it refutes his existence?? this isn't something you can just be on the fence about forever.

bleh, i'm not up to debating anyone, i'm just saying.

with me i guess i just dont care. things like this, that people question dont really have any affect on my life. like i said, we live and we die. and, even if we THINK we had all the facts and proved this true, i could be on the fence about that too. why? because we're human. we're not perfect. we dont know everything, obviously.

and LOL at not wanting to debate. me either. thank God you're an infp <3

[robitussin]

that is true. u_u

[tabbee]

that is true. u_u

ha ha ha whats with the face mmmhm