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    INFP - The Idealists

    INFP and NF's naturally psychic?

    Here is the question I joined this forum to ask:

    INFP and other NFs do you find you are naturally psychic?

    I have lived most of my life in denial of my own natural abilities trying to fit in because the rest of the world doesn't sense things the way I do. I feel things about people that I can never put a precise reason for, but most often it is correct... even if i miscomprehend what I am sensing at first.

    I have learned part of it is just my ability to read people, and as I've come to understand what it means to be an INFP I see it is just a natural part of our way of interacting with the world.

    I know I'm expressing this horribly, but do all you other INFP get the same flashes/insights/pictures as you talk to people and just "know" things. For the longest time I just rationalized and said "I'm just reading body language" (which I know is PART of it) but I'm an idiot for the denial and have had to many experiences to deny what's really going on any longer...

    I stand in line at walmart and can just feel the anger (or insert emotion) rolling off the person behind me in line without even seeing them so I know it's not just picking up visual cues... I won't go on but some times it is overwhelming just being around people because everyone is putting off so much...
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    I see what you mean, pianopraze. I think its just strong intuition. Especially as NFs, we are usually concerned with other people. Either one on one, or from a distance, we can pick up on things without completely understanding why or how. I wouldn't call it psychic, personally. Imo, there really is no such thing as "psychic abilities". Do I believe in the unconscious--yes. Do I believe in hypnotism and suggestion--partially. Do I believe in a spiritual realm--yes, in fact, I do. Do I believe in psychic abilities--nope. in my (limited) opinion, I think that people think they have real psychic "gifts" are either A) selling something, B) deceiving themselves, C) are trying to make up for talents they don't have, or worse D) are Schizophrenic, or at least delusional. If that offends people--well, I don't want it to, but at the same time, there are WAY too many holes in the psychic domain for it to hold its water (can I get an NT to back me up?).

    I don't know, but I'm willing to bet money that our ability to read, and to "feel", and even sense as though you are practically swimming in the emotion that everyone else is "vibing" is a mixture of our intuition (which picks up the emotion or thought) and the NF trait of empathy (which amplifies and enhances that feeling or thought).

    Tho, I will say, if you can get a good grab on your Myers Briggs and you Enneagram--you can act like a psychic Oh, too many times have I told someone I just met I know what they do when they get depressed or how specifically they relate to other people and then they reply with "Okay----STOP" But that is simply knowing how the system works and finding connections.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    First of all I agree with you mostly :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rushing Wind View Post
    ...I think that people think they have real psychic "gifts" are either A) selling something, B) deceiving themselves, C) are trying to make up for talents they don't have, or worse D) are Schizophrenic, or at least delusional. If that offends people--well, I don't want it to, but at the same time, there are WAY too many holes in the psychic domain for it to hold its water (can I get an NT to back me up?).
    I will back you up in that I think most people who make a living at it or are on TV are this way. But I think psychic is real and we NF's live it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rushing Wind View Post
    I don't know, but I'm willing to bet money that our ability to read, and to "feel", and even sense as though you are practically swimming in the emotion that everyone else is "vibing" is a mixture of our intuition (which picks up the emotion or thought) and the NF trait of empathy (which amplifies and enhances that feeling or thought).
    How is this NOT psychic? We feel like some people see. I think it's more like a sense of smell/taste or touch. We use our emotional taste buds, or just feel the emotional vibrations... I love how you say "sense as thought you are practically swimming in the emotion that everyone else is "vibing""... I think that is very accurate. We walk through an emotional current or sea of emotion and feel the currents of emotions as they flow by us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rushing Wind View Post
    ....But that is simply knowing how the system works and finding connections.
    I think this is also a great part of it. Our ability to sense/feel others emotions and then put it together. But I contend, from many many experiences that it goes even further. Do other NF's agree?

    I have no dog's in the fight if you want to call me crazy :) I'll happily agree with you!
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    ESTP - The Doers


    Quote Originally Posted by Rushing Wind View Post
    I see what you mean, pianopraze. I think its just strong intuition. Especially as NFs, we are usually concerned with other people. Either one on one, or from a distance, we can pick up on things without completely understanding why or how. I wouldn't call it psychic, personally. Imo, there really is no such thing as "psychic abilities". Do I believe in the unconscious--yes. Do I believe in hypnotism and suggestion--partially. Do I believe in a spiritual realm--yes, in fact, I do. Do I believe in psychic abilities--nope. in my (limited) opinion, I think that people think they have real psychic "gifts" are either A) selling something, B) deceiving themselves, C) are trying to make up for talents they don't have, or worse D) are Schizophrenic, or at least delusional.
    Do I believe in psychic abilities--yes, in fact, I do. Do I believe in a spiritual realm--nope. in my (limited) opinion, I think that people think there is a real "god" are either A) selling something, B) deceiving themselves, C) are trying to make up for their own inadequacies, or worse D) are Schizophrenic, or at least delusional.

    I hope I didn't offend you
    I am not psychic but I do believe in the ability. I agree with pianopraze though on most. I think the majority of "psychics" you see on TV or in advertisements are selling somethgin. I know a person with the ability but she doesn't prdict the future or anytghin for the most part. She happens to be an ENFJ by the way. I thought I heard xNFJ were supposed to be the most Psychic of the bunch?

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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by pianopraze View Post
    How is this NOT psychic? We feel like some people see. I think it's more like a sense of smell/taste or touch. We use our emotional taste buds, or just feel the emotional vibrations... I love how you say "sense as thought you are practically swimming in the emotion that everyone else is "vibing""... I think that is very accurate. We walk through an emotional current or sea of emotion and feel the currents of emotions as they flow by us.
    I suppose it comes down to the definition of "psychic". When I hear the word, I simply interpret "psychic" for "scam" or "scam artist".

    Do you mean A) precognitions, visions, predictions, telepathy and clairvoyance?
    Or B) a person apparently sensitive to things beyond the natural range of perception, such as how people can perceive thought and emotion easier than others?
    Or do you mean something else? Please clarify

    Quote Originally Posted by TreeBob View Post
    I thought I heard xNFJ were supposed to be the most Psychic of the bunch?
    Yes, I believe you are right. More often than not, the NFJs will beat the NFPs in how they interpret other people's thoughts and feelings. But NFPs are pretty strong contenders, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by TreeBob View Post
    I like the sarcasm
    Last edited by Rushing Wind; 06-29-2009 at 07:59 AM. Reason: 2 more quotes
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    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by Rushing Wind View Post
    I suppose it comes down to the definition of "psychic". When I hear the word, I simply interpret "psychic" for "scam" or "scam artist".

    Do you mean A) precognitions, visions, predictions, telepathy and clairvoyance?
    Or B) a person apparently sensitive to things beyond the natural range of perception, such as how people can perceive thought and emotion easier than others?
    Or do you mean something else? Please clarify
    I totally hear you about scam artists.

    As an NF we live in B from above. I think B sometimes blurs the line into A. At least it does with me, and I was wondering about other NF's experience.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    I don't think i have psychic abilities, it's just extraverted intuition mixed with introverted feelings.


    But if i open a clairvoyant shop, i'm sure it will run pretty smoothly haha

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    ESTP - The Doers


    Quote Originally Posted by Rushing Wind View Post

    I like the sarcasm
    I am glad you appreciated my sarcasm
    I think of all of the things you mentioned with psychics. My ex was more into talking to "ghosts" and energy work then anything.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by Kokos View Post
    I don't think i have psychic abilities, it's just extraverted intuition mixed with introverted feelings.

    But if i open a clairvoyant shop, i'm sure it will run pretty smoothly haha
    I think most NF's could...

    Quote Originally Posted by TreeBob View Post
    I am glad you appreciated my sarcasm
    I think of all of the things you mentioned with psychics. My ex was more into talking to "ghosts" and energy work then anything.
    I hear everything your saying and empathize. Most of what is real is un-hyped, most of what is hyped is unreal. I have been studying consciousness and quantum physics. Don't be quick to dismiss what we don't understand. The world is a lot weirder than we give it credit. Often we are too busy imposing our reality to experience reality.
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    INFP - The Idealists


    Quote Originally Posted by pianopraze View Post
    Here is the question I joined this forum to ask:

    INFP and other NFs do you find you are naturally psychic?

    I have lived most of my life in denial of my own natural abilities trying to fit in because the rest of the world doesn't sense things the way I do. I feel things about people that I can never put a precise reason for, but most often it is correct... even if i miscomprehend what I am sensing at first.

    I have learned part of it is just my ability to read people, and as I've come to understand what it means to be an INFP I see it is just a natural part of our way of interacting with the world.

    I know I'm expressing this horribly, but do all you other INFP get the same flashes/insights/pictures as you talk to people and just "know" things. For the longest time I just rationalized and said "I'm just reading body language" (which I know is PART of it) but I'm an idiot for the denial and have had to many experiences to deny what's really going on any longer...

    I stand in line at walmart and can just feel the anger (or insert emotion) rolling off the person behind me in line without even seeing them so I know it's not just picking up visual cues... I won't go on but some times it is overwhelming just being around people because everyone is putting off so much...
    Ya I will back up rushingwind on this one. I think it is just our really strong intuition matched with our feelings about people. This can account for the very abstract but true conclusions we receive about people. Through our intuition we can take in minor subtleties in another person's behavior. We don't make sense of this through rationality....and we wouldn't....because human feelings are not rational...... but we empathize and we try to understand where the person is coming from. Since we FEEL almost everything, our ability to empathize with others is typically very well developed. This combo of Fi and Ne is a perfect combo for understanding another person. This can be mistaken for "psychic abilities". Really...it is just carefull, empathetic observation.


 
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