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    INTJ - The Scientists

    INFP and ENTJ conflict

    My two best friends are an INFP and an ENTJ. I get along with both of them great; the INFP because she is creative and fun, and the ENTJ because she's logical and driven. The problem is that these two seem to get into a fight every time I'm not there to mediate.
    Today at lunch for instance they were talking about the new band shirts (the INFP is in Marching band), which say REVOLUTION with a fist holding a music note and some red bursts of sunshine... they started talking about whether or not it looked communist. Typical...
    According to my INFP friend, Ms. ENTJ became insistent that red was a communist color and that it should have been changed to a blue or an orange. Apparently, she was overly oppinionated, stoic, and unrelenting on the subject to a point where my INFP couldn't take it any more and tried to whesel her way out of the conversation by going to say hi to a couple friends across the quad. Which seriously offended my ENTJ friend who has a history of making something out of nothing.
    According to my ENTJ friend, she was just having a normal conversation about whether or not the band shirt was communist when Ms. INFP insulted her and ran off to go be with another group of friends! Later she said the reason she was so insistant was because INFP wouldn't even consider her side of the argument.
    What I want to know is if this is a common theme in ENTJ/INFP relationships. And is there a way I can help?

    Last edited by Yeomen94; 09-29-2010 at 01:22 PM.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    ENTJs always want to hardcore dominate INFPs. Tis why I run away from them before they can get me in a choke hold. You need to be a fairly confident and thick skinned INFP to get on well with ENTJs.
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    INFP - The Idealists



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    INFP - The Idealists

    So the ENTJ was trying to spin her subjective opinion on a color as some sort of empirical fact? Uh huh.... you can tell who I side with .

    INFPs will run from conflict if they see no point in it. Conflict is any kind of disagreement that can produce negative emotion. Once it's apparent it will not lead anywhere productive, why continue it?

    The ENTJ clearly did not view it as conflict, but insisting you are right on a matter that cannot be proven is asking for conflict. It devalues the other person's perspective without any good reason. It amounts to "because I said so" unreasonableness. That can frustrate another personal and so instead of acting on the likely emotion of frustration, the INFP chose to bow out. It seems to me the ENTJ is the one being overly sensitive here....

    I have a feeling I'm not telling you anything you don't know, though. I don't have much experience with ENTJs, especially in close relationships like friendships. If I were you, I wouldn't get in the middle of it. It all reeks of teenage angst to me anyway.....
    Last edited by OrangeAppled; 09-29-2010 at 03:24 PM.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    I would have reacted the same way. I don't waste time debating about something that trivial. Anyone that knows about INFPs would realize that the harder you push, the more we back away.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    It's hard to explain to Ts what ticks us off about these kinds of arguments.

    I myself don't know exactly why, but I can guess, and I'll try to lay it down in short points:

    1. INFPs are perceptive to emotions; we don't stop at the mere *words* you're saying; we'll try to understand where you're coming from.

    2. If you present your opinion or argument with a tone of "why can't you just accept the facts?", we perceive (correctly, I think) that you have no respect for our opinion.

    3. INFPs hate nothing more than someone disrespecting our thoughts and emotions.

    We can be quite a tolerant bunch, so we won't get super mad at you if that happens once or twice. But if you consistently behave that way, you'll piss us off, and we'll despise you for it.

    Like I said it's not a matter of wording. Some people think they can fool us by wording their argument carefully as to not sound offending, but that attempt is usually futile; it's destined to fail.

    Actually, it's even worse: if you word your argument carefully, we find it more offensive, and you'll piss us off even more. We will perceive (again, probably correctly so) that you not only disrespect our opinion, but you think so lowly of us that you can't just have a normal conversation.

    I'd only word an argument carefully in two cases: it's against the mainstream and likely to receive a lot of quick bashing, or it's aimed at people who I'd consider crazy.

    So, not only you show disrespect, but you also treat us like we don't deserve any respect because we're just that crazy.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    OrangeAppled has a good point. I spoke with Ms. ENTJ today and she said the reason that she kept insisting her argument was because INFP never gave her side of the argument a chance. Apparently that is how INFP felt as well.
    It's very clear that these two are having trouble seeing eye to eye.
    hasenj also wrote something very insightful. These two have a history of arguments on random topics (most notably the one about modern art) The ENTJ always takes the initiative to say sorry first, but INFP always tells me that she never seems like she ment it. I thought in was just ENTJ's natural sorry voice, but today ENTJ said that she never was truley sorry for what she said (but she did go on to say she was sorry that it made INFP so upset).
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    INFP - The Idealists

    When debating with my ENTJ father or ENTJ friend, I react according to what the topic is.

    If it's just a general debate about something non-important, I make sure I approach it from a logical perspective and don't let my Fi interfere. I also usually let them leave the discussion with a sense of success, since I don't care about being right and really ENTJ's just like to debate for the fun of debating sometimes. So I provide them with that.

    If it's a debate against something that I value, I steamroll them. period.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    Obvious solution:
    neutralize the ENTJ!
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    INFP - The Idealists

    INFPS hate conflict. I don't know how to emphasise this. It's perfectly normal that your friend "escaped" to talk to other people. It's INFP survival tactics. The INFP can easily get a lot of negativity from a conversation like that, feel bad all day by the "attack" as I have no doubt is how she was perceiving the conversation.

    ENTJs think they are just having a "debate".
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