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This is a discussion on What you do for a living doesn't matter. within the INFP Forum - The Idealists forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; It only matters to people who care about having a title. What defines you? Strip away jobs, clothing, cars. Without ...

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    INFP - The Idealists


    What you do for a living doesn't matter.

    It only matters to people who care about having a title.

    What defines you? Strip away jobs, clothing, cars.

    Without having to answer "What do you do for a living?"

    Can you actually tell me who you think you are?



    I'm free without the constraints. I'm not meant to live in this world, I never was and when
    someone tries to hammer my circle shape into a triangular opening, I will get stubborn.
    I will not fit.
    I'm meant to live without chains and shackles. I will not wear your slave suit and tie.
    Not to be cool, not to make a statement. Doing so makes me into someone I'm not.
    Blue Butterfly, Calvaire, Stillwater and 7 others thanked this post.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Being a person is being able to express idea. Ideas takes physical form in the world, so the world is born out of idea and idea are born out of the world. Stripping away the world to find a deeper idea leaves us only with a poorer world. You can't escape physicality and you can't define yourself with what you don't have, what you don't agree with, or what you don't want to be. Constraints are necessary for the definition of person. A limitless existence is a meaningless existence. Confinement is home.

    Being an INFP, for me, is a fight for freedom, not the unlimited. The unlimited has no limits, it is useless. Life is only limits, humans are only limits. The limits of knowledge, of sight, of body, of time. Everything we do as a reaction to limits, thus diversity itself grounded in limits. Freedom needs limits. Total freedom is the freedom of all limits, rather than the limitless. The unlimited is an endless array of limits.

    My job, my car, my family, my clothes are all manifestations of idea. They add to the diversity of character, they do not confine it. Accusing them for limiting your existence is a mistake. It is we, ourselves, who put ourselves in the circle or the square, and we, ourselves, who can step in and out of them as much as we wish.

    Touché?
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    Unknown Personality

    I'm a girl that cares too much and wears her heart on her sleeve.
    I'm always searching for something,I'm always
    looking for improvements.
    I want Love and I want to be loved.
    I'll search untill I find the love I need.
    I don't make judgements.
    I'm honest and Open.
    I want to inspire and help change the world.
    I want to find someone that can know me fully.
    I'm Stubborn.
    I want to live an adventure I want to go everywhere and observe everything and everyone.
    I want life at my fingertips.

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    INFP - The Idealists


    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Being a person is being able to express idea. Ideas takes physical form in the world, so the world is born out of idea and idea are born out of the world. Stripping away the world to find a deeper idea leaves us only with a poorer world. You can't escape physicality and you can't define yourself with what you don't have, what you don't agree with, or what you don't want to be. Constraints are necessary for the definition of person. A limitless existence is a meaningless existence. Confinement is home.

    Being an INFP, for me, is a fight for freedom, not the unlimited. The unlimited has no limits, it is useless. Life is only limits, humans are only limits. The limits of knowledge, of sight, of body, of time. Everything we do as a reaction to limits, thus diversity itself grounded in limits. Freedom needs limits. Total freedom is the freedom of all limits, rather than the limitless. The unlimited is an endless array of limits.

    My job, my car, my family, my clothes are all manifestations of idea. They add to the diversity of character, they do not confine it. Accusing them for limiting your existence is a mistake. It is we, ourselves, who put ourselves in the circle or the square, and we, ourselves, who can step in and out of them as much as we wish.

    Touché?

    First of all, this isn't a god damn competition.

    Secondly, being confined isn't a home, you can live off of the grid and NOT be confined by bullshit cars and jobs and surviving.

    Being poor gives you creativity. Being rich leaves you with no room to be creative at all. You should really understand that I am an exception, and so are many other people out there. You don't question, you just accept what is popular.
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    ENTP - The Visionaries


    Quote Originally Posted by Meak View Post
    Strip away jobs, clothing, cars.
    Hiki, INFPwn, Johnny815 and 1 others thanked this post.

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    Unknown Personality


    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Being a person is being able to express idea.
    Well, thats one thing that humans are capable of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Ideas takes physical form in the world, so the world is born out of idea and idea are born out of the world.
    Actually no, they don't always take physical form. Many of them only exist in abstract forms, in imagination, and theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Stripping away the world to find a deeper idea leaves us only with a poorer world.
    Actually everything you are about to claim is meaningful to you, came from people who are the thinkers, not the provers (you), and had to come from the imaginative and abstract, so that you could then exist purely in a world of forms without coming up with the ideas to create them. If not for people who couldn't find those deeper thoughts and meanings, you wouldn't have this world of spectacle to hide in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    My job, my car, my family, my clothes are all manifestations of idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Accusing them for limiting your existence is a mistake. It is we, ourselves, who put ourselves in the circle or the square, and we, ourselves, who can step in and out of them as much as we wish.
    These are all things that were created and defined, to create the stream, that was already flowing -before- new independent thinkers were thrown into it, and forced to -try- to swim against the flow. If you would rather go with it, and let these things define you, that is fine, but don't claim that there is something inherent truth about human nature in your way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    They add to the diversity of character, they do not confine it.
    That is exactly what they are doing - confining it. Not everyone's character is defined through other people's creations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Touché?
    Nope.
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    ENTP - The Visionaries


    "Most people are not even aware of their need to conform. They live under the illusion that they follow their own ideas and inclinations, that they are individualists, that they have arrived at their opinions as the result of their own thinking - and that it just happens that their ideas are the same as the majority. The consensus of all serves as a proof for the correctness of 'their' ideas. Since there is still a need to feel some individuality, such need is satisfied with regard to minor differences; the initials on the handbag or the sweater, the name plate of the bank teller, the belonging to the Democratic as against the Republican party, to the Elks instead of to the Shriners become the expression of individual differences. The advertising slogan of 'it is different' shows up this pathetic need for difference, when in reality there is hardly any left." - Erich Fromm
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    Unknown Personality


    Quote Originally Posted by timeless View Post
    "Most people are not even aware of their need to conform. They live under the illusion that they follow their own ideas and inclinations, that they are individualists, that they have arrived at their opinions as the result of their own thinking - and that it just happens that their ideas are the same as the majority. The consensus of all serves as a proof for the correctness of 'their' ideas. Since there is still a need to feel some individuality, such need is satisfied with regard to minor differences; the initials on the handbag or the sweater, the name plate of the bank teller, the belonging to the Democratic as against the Republican party, to the Elks instead of to the Shriners become the expression of individual differences. The advertising slogan of 'it is different' shows up this pathetic need for difference, when in reality there is hardly any left." - Erich Fromm
    This is SO spot on. And a perfect reply to that earlier post.
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    Unknown Personality

    I was suppose to write about society and comforming/non conforming....
    Instead I thought I was suppose to write about who I am inside...
    I screwed up :X

    I will say living off the grid has always had an appeal to me.
    I love how they all work together as a community and really care for each other
    and grow their own food/make their own energy.
    It seems like a great and simple way to live.
    Hiki thanked this post.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvaire View Post
    I'm a girl that cares too much and wears her heart on her sleeve.
    I'm always searching for something,I'm always
    looking for improvements.
    I want Love and I want to be loved.
    I'll search untill I find the love I need.
    I don't make judgements.
    I'm honest and Open.
    I want to inspire and help change the world.
    I want to find someone that can know me fully.
    I'm Stubborn.
    I want to live an adventure I want to go everywhere and observe everything and everyone.
    I want life at my fingertips.
    mmm I feel the same way :)
    Hiki thanked this post.


 
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