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    How you 'experience' your 'conscience'

    Conscience will be defined here as being;



    Conscience is an aptitude, faculty, intuition, or judgment of the intellect that distinguishes right from wrong. Moral evaluations of this type may reference values or norms (principles and rules). In psychological terms conscience is often described as leading to feelings of remorse when a human does things that go against his/her moral values, and to feelings of rectitude or integrity when actions conform to such norms.[1] The extent to which conscience informs moral judgment before an action and whether such moral judgments are, or should be, based wholly in reason has occasioned debate through much of the history of Western philosophy.[2]

    Religious views of conscience usually see it as linked to a morality inherent in all humans, to a beneficent universe and/or to divinity. The diverse ritualistic, mythical, doctrinal, legal, institutional and material features of religion, may not necessarily cohere with experiential, emotive, spiritual or contemplative considerations about the origin and operation of conscience.[3] Common secular or scientific views regard the capacity for conscience as probably genetically determined, with its subject matter probably learned, or imprinted (like language) as part of a culture.[4]

    Commonly used metaphors for conscience include the "voice within" and the "inner light".[5] Conscience, as is detailed in sections below, is a major concept in national and international law,[6] is increasingly conceived of as applying to the world as a whole,[7] has motivated numerous notable acts for the public good[8] and been the subject of many prominent examples of literature, music and film


    Note some of the cross-overs between the elements of common descriptions of Fi and 'conscience'?

    Nevertheless, how do you experience your 'conscience'?

    Some questions if you don't know where to start:
    Do you feel a 'guilty' conscience often? Do you feel the impact of your own decisions and the decisions of others very strongly? how do you reason (weigh decisions)? do you think yours shapes your values? how does it impact on your thoughts, behaviour and emotions and to what degree? are you in touch with it, or out of touch with it? (How) has your conscience changed over the years? what happens when you go against your conscience? What indicators tell you something is 'right' or 'wrong'? how 'high' are your expectations of yourself?
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    ENFJ - The Givers

    my conscience and values are pretty much one in the same.i rarely have to compromise my values but when i do(usally its when i'm force to lie or withhold)i feel very guilty, i have a strong impulse to ownup to it and i just feel so fake like i'm not living up to my self
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenhorFrio View Post
    my conscience and values are pretty much one in the same.i rarely have to compromise my values but when i do(usally its when i'm force to lie or withhold)i feel very guilty, i have a strong impulse to ownup to it and i just feel so fake like i'm not living up to my self
    Very interesting. I would love if you could elaborate on the part about your 'values and conscience being one in the same'. I definitely know where you are coming from, but I'd like to read your experience further.

    I know what you mean about feeling guilty about your own actions. That is why it makes me a little angry to be disciplined; I'm already scolding myself, I don't need outside intervention. It also angers me when people claim that you don't care, or they assume you don't care. It makes me think "how dare you" because it's all I ever think about. Sometimes my actions don't show it, but it constantly tears me up inside.
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    ENFJ - The Givers

    well for one i value honesty and when i'm dishonest my consince hits me, i value armony and when i argue my conscience flares up.i really do considerthem almost one in the same, i think we build our values from what our conscience tells us
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenhorFrio View Post
    well for one i value honesty and when i'm dishonest my consince hits me, i value armony and when i argue my conscience flares up.i really do considerthem almost one in the same, i think we build our values from what our conscience tells us
    Thank you.

    Can you tell me a bit about your conscience "hitting you"? do you feel it? is it an emotion? is it several thoughts? is it all of the above? is it more?

    what happens after your conscience 'hits you', in the instance of you being dishonest? (edit: oh wait, you kind of answered that question in your first post)

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    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by NatalieAnne View Post
    Very interesting. I would love if you could elaborate on the part about your 'values and conscience being one in the same'. I definitely know where you are coming from, but I'd like to read your experience further.

    I know what you mean about feeling guilty about your own actions. That is why it makes me a little angry to be disciplined; I'm already scolding myself, I don't need outside intervention. It also angers me when people claim that you don't care, or they assume you don't care. It makes me think "how dare you" because it's all I ever think about. Sometimes my actions don't show it, but it constantly tears me up inside.
    Read my mind right down to the period.
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    INFP - The Idealists

    I tend to switch between my normal INFP self and trying to look at it logically and objective. From there i try to find the best choice possible.
    fyi- basically i talk to my self as me and my anti-me to figure stuff out
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    INFP - The Idealists

    (Please excuse me, I'm not computer savvy enough to figure out how to insert a quote using the "QUOTE" button, so I'm just copying and pasting...)

    "I know what you mean about feeling guilty about your own actions. That is why it makes me a little angry to be disciplined; I'm already scolding myself, I don't need outside intervention. It also angers me when people claim that you don't care, or they assume you don't care. It makes me think "how dare you" because it's all I ever think about. Sometimes my actions don't show it, but it constantly tears me up inside." - NatalieAnne

    - Exactly! I feel this exact same way, it really gets to me at times. Nobody else understands this.

    To me, your conscious is your perception of reality, each reality being different for person to person in their own perspective. Conscious is what I'm aware of, I would say my morals are relatively unconscious, and your actions are supposed to derive from your unconscious thoughts/morals. Many times I feel like I'm on autopilot, not really paying attention to my actions, too distracted pondering various ideas in my head. This is how you change one's actions, in a sense, repetitive conscious realization and reevaluation of thoughts. It's as they say, thoughts lead to actions. If you change your thoughts while you're thinking them, and your body is on autopilot, can you change the way your actions are without really even physically changing them? If that makes sense... Sorry, I've went off on a tangent. >.<

    But to answer your question more bluntly: conscious to me pretty much revolves around my thought processes. I'm very much out of touch with my physical reality. My reality is perceived by thinking, questioning every single thing in accordance to how it affects me, rather that action, so my conscious focuses mainly on how I feel about my reality, rather than how I'm going to deal with reality. Through conscious chains of thought on how things affect me, my unconscious is programed to act accordingly to my morals, as I constantly develop them in reactions to new events. I feel this constant change and growth is due to my open mindedness. My unconscious controls my actions, while my conscious deals with my thoughts, so while most of my conscious focuses in on how I feel, my body is left to unconscious control, or put on seemingly autopilot. But, in many cases, I feel autopilot is safest for me, I tend to over think my actions if I become consciously aware of them, and end up jinxing myself and messing up or looking awkward, etc.
    I'm sorry if I made no sense. I'm still unsure of what I think about consciousness. This is pretty much a stream of thoughts that hopefully might be helpful. ;/

    EDIT: AHH nevermind this wasn't even talking about conscious. It was talking about conscience.

    So ignore all that. I made a fool of myself.

    To me, conscience is my evaluating of how something is in accordance to my morals.
    As my morals change, as described in the process above, my conscience changes.
    So my conscience changes from pretty much how I already described, except it being a factor that ties in afterwards.
    Change in conscience:
    1.) Change in conscious realization of thoughts
    2.) Change in morals
    3.) Change in conscience.

    What's odd with me, is I'm very impulsive at times. I'll predominately think against a certain action, then I get in one of these "moods" and desire to perform that action, and after I do, it results in a guilty conscience once I'm my normal self again. I don't know if anyone else does this though... But when I perform or refrain from an action that was directed by my conscience to do so, I feel very satisfied afterwards, knowing that I did the right thing.

    So maybe the conscience is the conscious realization of unconscious desires to abide by your morals?
    I'm fairly certain my conscience and morals are not one in the same... but very similar, they tie into each other very closely I think.

    Hope I helped now, haha. ;/
    =)
    Last edited by sethlane; 06-20-2010 at 12:51 AM.
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    My conscience, I have to admit, is pretty constant. Whenever I think of doing something bad, my conscience screams things like this: "Is this right? How does it affect others?! C'mon, don't do this! It's wrong, sick, and immoral! It'll make you a horrible person! How dare you even think of doing something like that?! It's evil, it's monstrous..." etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkyWay132 View Post
    My conscience, I have to admit, is pretty constant. Whenever I think of doing something bad, my conscience screams things like this: "Is this right? How does it affect others?! C'mon, don't do this! It's wrong, sick, and immoral! It'll make you a horrible person! How dare you even think of doing something like that?! It's evil, it's monstrous..." etc.
    I can relate. I feel a quite sickening feeling too.

    Can I ask what kind of environment you were raised in? did you grow up (i.e. between the ages of 1-10) largely regulating your own behaviours and actions?

    I remember being two and being quite conscious of my decisions and their effects.


 
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