[mimesis]

I must've read over it. Thanks for the correction. ^^

It's a bit odd description, but considering Ni I can somewhat understand it. The difference between Ni and Ne - come to a closure vs leaving things open seems to be the basis for J vs P. It conincides, but I guess has also confused people. Because like you said it is a behavioral pattern, how you organize life. That's perhaps why you initially thought you were a inxP, and a INFP.

I think they wanted to make things easier. So 'wanting to know the rules before beginning' is Fe. 'Making lists and schedules' is Te and all are J. But, perhaps you never make lists so...

[Neverontime]

@eyenexepee is what true for me?

I agree with your first statement that testing with almost equal T and F is an indicator of being a dominant perceiver type, it makes logical sense.

A dom F has a inferior T and vice-versa, so if someone is testing equal strength in preferences for thinking and feeling they are either a dom S/N, are underdeveloped in both functions or they are misinterpretating the questions.

Possibly it could happen if a person is middle aged and have developed their inferior, but still is unlikely because the dominant function is still directing the ego.

Why or how is it even related to enneagram?

[summer solstice]

@eyenexepee is what true for me?

I agree with your first statement that testing with almost equal T and F is an indicator of being a dominant perceiver type, it makes logical sense.

A dom F has a inferior T and vice-versa, so if someone is testing equal strength in preferences for thinking and feeling they are either a dom S/N, are underdeveloped in both functions or they are misinterpretating the questions.

Possibly it could happen if a person is middle aged and have developed their inferior, but still is unlikely because the dominant function is still directing the ego.

Why or how is it even related to enneagram?

:)

Perhaps it's more true for 5w4 than it is for 5w6, but since Fives are pretty withdrawn (to speak with a generalization lol), it may account for a more outspoken 'borderline' situation between T and F results. I think there's a possibility that enneatype in this case can influence test results.

So what I meant to ask you (and @mimesis ) is if you do type tests, do you get that "T/F borderline" thing?

At any rate, I still think that F-dom/T-inf should lead to bigger differences than Ne-aux/Si-tert.

[mimesis]

@eyenexepee & @Neverontime

Possibly it could happen if a person is middle aged and have developed their inferior, but still is unlikely because the dominant function is still directing the ego.

Mind you (or sorry to bug you with T), a correlation is not necessarily a causal relation. There is no causal relation between dominant perceiving an equal development judging functions. Therefore it would be a fallacy to conclude that when functions are equally developped, it must be a dominant perceiving function. It might be.

Mind you 2. Cognitive functions are a construct, measurements are arbitrary so what are we talking about? Measuring 'feeling' ??? Measuring 'logic' ??? Equal development??? Dichotomy: either...or....???

The point is what do people tend to do when it's a draw. Logical prediction says Do. Feeling says don't. Or logical prediction says don't Feeling says do. Tough calls, like buying a house, ending a relationship, etc.

I am probably very equal too T/F but for me Feeling has the last word, and when I am wrong I am prepared to take the consequences. I find that harder the other way round, when I made a decision against my feelings in favor of logic/ 'facts' and it turned out wrong.

Edit: It's actually, that development of T can help F. @Neverontime and I have discussed that before. So it's not a dichotomy in that sense (either...or...), rather something complementary (...and...).

It can also be the other way round. As a NT pointed at on another forum. He learned that you can make plans that seem logically thought through, but if you don't anticipate on how people receive it, it's useless.

[Neverontime]

:)

Perhaps it's more true for 5w4 than it is for 5w6, but since Fives are pretty withdrawn (to speak with a generalization lol), it may account for a more outspoken 'borderline' situation between T and F results. I think there's a possibility that enneatype in this case can influence test results.

So what I meant to ask you (and @mimesis ) is if you do type tests, do you get that "T/F borderline" thing?

At any rate, I still think that F-dom/T-inf should lead to bigger differences than Ne-aux/Si-tert.

No, always a clear F preference

[mimesis]

:)

Perhaps it's more true for 5w4 than it is for 5w6, but since Fives are pretty withdrawn (to speak with a generalization lol), it may account for a more outspoken 'borderline' situation between T and F results. I think there's a possibility that enneatype in this case can influence test results.

So what I meant to ask you (and @mimesis ) is if you do type tests, do you get that "T/F borderline" thing?

At any rate, I still think that F-dom/T-inf should lead to bigger differences than Ne-aux/Si-tert.

I have never tested that. I am a bit weary of doing too much testing. For instance, I score higher Fe than Fi in the other test on OKcupid. But I have worked in a public job (bars restaurants) for an important part of my life, I am not socially awkward and like parties (with the kind of people I like, or who are alike) and had a relationship with an ESFJ for more than 10 years, which likely has influenced me. I studied Art School, as a painter but now I am a programmer. So likely, my scores could be allover the place.

For me INFP has a good explanation of my life so far. I am perfectly happy with it, and can still use it to improve things, mostly in the way that other people see me, and to make myself more clear to others.

[username]

I must've read over it. Thanks for the correction. ^^


You have a good point here :) Yeah it could be that 5w4's test as INxP's a lot, but not all who get this 'result' of being INxP are 5w4 or 5w6. Is that true for you, @Neverontime @mimesis ? But I don't really get what you're saying with preferring perceiving? Cause as I use it, with perceiving I mean having a dominant perceiving function, regardless of which and its attitude. You probably mean being an extraverted perceiving type (xxxP)?

Also, I did say it's an indication, and I still think it's a good indication. It is true that it's not 100% so, but hey, that's what indications are for. They don't present a 100% chance. That's why I've explained other ways to determine your type. No one should just go by one method. ^^

Anyways, good point about the 5w4.



To set things straight. Nope. It is not possible.

There are only 16 types. Being a combination of some screws up the theory. If you screw up the theory, you're basically saying "to hell with MBTI, I'm making my own theory".

The thing is that the test mentioned from MMDI is a test like many other ones, in that it gives other possibilities too. This MMDI test gives a lot of space; it allows itself to be wrong or conflicted, thus giving INFx, yet saying which ones are the most probable. So you still have to figure out which type *truly* is your type. Nowhere does the test say you're both types or several ones.

That's just a gross misinterpretation of the test result.

It is true however that you can show *behavior* that is associated with other types. Behavior isn't "restricted" to one type. With that, I'm saying you are one type but you may sometimes show behavior that is frequently associated with a different type.

One shouldn't confuse that for "you can be several types". That simply isn't true.

Keep in mind that you're an individual and that you're not going to be exactly like the descriptions say :)


Edit: saved the picture where it says about being between types but that you should clarify (by buying stuff lol).

Yes, I was referring to the fourth letter of the type code. There's no question that I'm an extroverted perceiving type.

[walking tourist]

The person who tested me (a career counselor) said that I was an infp, based on the test. She also told me that I could probably be just about any type because I tested as close to balanced as anyone she had ever seen. We discussed what each letter meant. After the discussion, I was certain that I could not be an "S" because she made them sound very boring, stuck on going from step one to step two to step three and lacking in imagination.
Eventually, and after doing the Step II MBTI with a different tester, I discovered that I was actually an isfp and that I could be a sensor and have an imagination at the same time. And I didn't have to rigidly go from step to step to step. I could dance around the steps to my heart's content. Since then, I continued to doubt my type and have wavered between isfp and esfp.
But I think that infp is a very awesome type, even if I was an infp for such a short time.

[mimesis]

The person who tested me (a career counselor) said that I was an infp, based on the test. She also told me that I could probably be just about any type because I tested as close to balanced as anyone she had ever seen. We discussed what each letter meant. After the discussion, I was certain that I could not be an "S" because she made them sound very boring, stuck on going from step one to step two to step three and lacking in imagination.
Eventually, and after doing the Step II MBTI with a different tester, I discovered that I was actually an isfp and that I could be a sensor and have an imagination at the same time. And I didn't have to rigidly go from step to step to step. I could dance around the steps to my heart's content. Since then, I continued to doubt my type and have wavered between isfp and esfp.
But I think that infp is a very awesome type, even if I was an infp for such a short time.

I know some pretty awesome ISFPs

[Neverontime]

@eyenexepee & @Neverontime



Mind you (or sorry to bug you with T), a correlation is not necessarily a causal relation. There is no causal relation between dominant perceiving an equal development judging functions. Therefore it would be a fallacy to conclude that when functions are equally developped, it must be a dominant perceiving function. It might be.

Mind you 2. Cognitive functions are a construct, measurements are arbitrary so what are we talking about? Measuring 'feeling' ??? Measuring 'logic' ??? Equal development??? Dichotomy: either...or....???

The point is what do people tend to do when it's a draw. Logical prediction says Do. Feeling says don't. Or logical prediction says don't Feeling says do. Tough calls, like buying a house, ending a relationship, etc.

I am probably very equal too T/F but for me Feeling has the last word, and when I am wrong I am prepared to take the consequences. I find that harder the other way round, when I made a decision against my feelings in favor of logic/ 'facts' and it turned out wrong.

Edit: It's actually, that development of T can help F. @Neverontime and I have discussed that before. So it's not a dichotomy in that sense (either...or...), rather something complementary (...and...).

It can also be the other way round. As a NT pointed at on another forum. He learned that you can make plans that seem logically thought through, but if you don't anticipate on how people receive it, it's useless.

Yes, the inferior function is used, but it's under the terms of the dominant function and used for the dominant functions motivation. It doesn't call the shots. I use Te when necessary, but when doing so I don't wholly take on a Te doms perspective. I'm aware of holding off feeling judgements while I do what I need to do. It drains my energy doing this and I can't keep it up long term. Fi comes naturally, I hardly notice any expelling of energy and I don't need to hold off Te judgements to use it. My inferior is not anywhere near as developed as my dominant. It supposedly not going to be until I'm 40-50 years old.

Unless, I kill my brain cells off early?