[yaz]

I play the chase I talk just enough, leave enough mystery. Then I know for sure this won't be the last I talk to this person.

[check_mate]

This actually goes into how I act around those who I like. Have you ever watched a movie that, at the end, it all came together and suddenly the entire movie changed for you? You rewatch it and see how it all so beautifully wove together? Not like an M. Night style where you are lead to believe one thing then BOOM switch. Think Fight Club. More like it was a web being woven together and at the end you finally see how it all plays out. That is how I envision these silly games I do. I am going to be able to tell her about it and shes going to think back and its all going to make sense. Shes going to see just how much effort and care and energy I put into weaving this intricate tapestry, and what first appeared like passive aggressive headgames is actually me setting up a grand stage that I hope she would want to be the leading lady of.

What a fantastic idea! Maybe... you might be surprised at how much she didn't miss in the course of time. Some ladies are extraordinarily perceptive...especially, the analytical variety....

Before then, though, when its a bunch of guessing, its torment.

Torment and I don't get along that well, so I can't relate to that at all

The commonalities are quite striking if I may say so. I am single, never married, no kids. The lady I am speaking of is about 5 years older than me, has at least one child around 6, I know for fact makes more money than me, has the look of the studious brunette type (I wish she wore her glasses more often, sigh), and I suspect she was married if not still is married (and that is the biggest deterrant to me doing much. I truly dont want to be inappropriate and overstep boundaries.)

The similarities are absolutely uncanny. Very bizarre. Well, if she is studious, she might be smart, and if she is smart in a business kind of way, she might be like me and got her divorce papers very quickly after the whole mess. I got mine, for instance in 2009.

I am weird around kids. I love them in theory, the innocence and wonder. I am like a kid in a lot of ways. However I just dont know how to talk to them or anything. And for kids under 2, I am nearly phobic. However when it comes to her, I dont care the least bit. I know, objectively, that if I got with her, then her kids would become part of my life in a real way. And though I shy away from children whenever I can, if it was with her, I say bring it on.

You know, this made me think of something that happened to me today. I was at a large event, (where I actually saw my INXX crush coincidentally, he's so very sweet and shy) and I was in need of the ladies room, more to preen than anything, of course, because of my incredible insecurities. There was a line up, and a little wee blonde girl standing beside me in a beautiful black and white dress, my favourite combo. Anyway, I was ignoring her, just watching people sift in and out, and then I felt that feeling of being stared at. I looked down at her and she was staring and would not take her eyes off me. Then I looked away quickly, and ignored her again. She was still staring when I looked back. She was glued. I don't know what she found so compellingSo I said to her, remembering what is was like to be about 5 or 6, "Hey I love your pretty dress, what's your name?" And she just opened right up to me and wouldn't stop chatting! Then I asked where she lived, and she gave me the name of the town I grew up in that holds so many memories, good and bad" It was one of those surreal moments, that are actually very common in my life. I am not kidding, I could write a book about moments like this. Children are highly intuitive though, like animals. Maybe my face betrayed I had a lot on my mind? They are always very attracted to me, I will never know why, and animals won't leave me alone, I kid not, livestock to domestic pets, to bears in the wild. I'm a bit like Cinderella with animal friends, and have a similar life story to Cinderella my fav Disney character, it would seem, from some tough past experiences. I just don't know my ending yet. *runs to get popcorn* (Anyway, I am comfortable around kids about 4 and up myself, when they really start learning about concepts. I love teaching them.)

Passive aggressive is a big thing for me. Because I enjoy complex social puzzles, I enjoy being passive aggressive and kinda sitting back and watching people. I do this at work, for example. However, when this phases over into what we are talking about, it is endlessly irritating, I will give you that. I just dont know how else to go about it. Being aggressive and just walking up to her... I can barely remember how to walk when im in her presence.

Meh. INFJ's seem passive from what I read. Lots of my friends are passive types, whatever works for them, as long as their not hurting anyone. Usually they hurt themselves worse, so I always try to warn them...Walking up to your crush, is not aggressive. You see the word is "assertive" the two words mean entirely two things-I'm hearing my Marketing Prof. in my head right now. Mr. Maguire said so eloquently years ago " Aggressive is antagonistic, my dear, but assertive, now that's different. That is being proactive with a goal in mind and when employed with skill, no one needs to feel uncomfortable' Here's a good link Assertiveness: Assertive Versus Unassertive and Aggressive Behavior I think it will explain it to a T

Its so rare to sense that connection especially from a distance. It has taken 28 years for it to happen just once and I have met tons of people in several states over the years. It is hard to let go of something so amazing, but I have to wonder if I am just imagining it, imagining her. I work hard on staying grounded and not idealizing and romanticizing things, just staying with the facts. You know what they say about things being too good to be true, though.

Yeah, it's the same for me with the INXX. I've been around the world, literally, and there has never been this connection with anyone. Yeah, it is scary but I think I know where my fear is coming from. I have a theory, which I won't share on the forum. I guess, it is beyond rare this connection. EPIC. Like an echo that won't go away, it's to intense to ignore for me anyway. That's why my annoying feelings tell me I can't date anyone else. Even logic looks at me baffled and shakes his head. I couldn't explain, the coincidences, the electric connection, his amazing subtexting (which I have often thought about as a pick me up, when feeling a bit down,) and everything else..... without sounding like I needed some serious psychiatric help, so I keep it to myself. I've known something beyond me was at work for quite a while. Some entity is laughing hard right now. I can hear it in the thunder. When something is about to happen to me, it seems there is always epic thunder and deluge, I kid you not, including my (ill fated) wedding day with the ex, on my way to the ceremony, on a clear sunny day, with no chance of rain. Deluge. We had to pullover, rain hail windshield wipers were useless. I was an hour late. For real, and not my fault!!!! That was a cursed day, everything I remember. That story was featured on a radio broadcast years later actually. Boy if that wasn't a sign, ha ha. Then again, I love the sound of thunderstormsI have a CD with just thunderstorms. I have a saying "All things are possible, but not all things are likely" I repeat this to myself whenever I get freaked out. This could be a few times a week.

I feel like I should know this, but how are you thinking it is risky? Is something particular about FB risky to you, or is it risky because a FB message is "making the first move" and going out on that limb is risky? Is this the thing about you being cautious of strangers over net?

You should probably know this, but if you don't I will jar your memory perhaps? No, going out on the limb itself is not risky, I feel that strongly. I just thought, trusting technology like FB, and the flawed nature of technology in general, would not be something I would consider, if I was a guy. This is because if the lady was of any great significance to me, I would make sure I handled the situation directly, so technology wouldn't screw up message delivery aka "FB message not received". Like note in hand, note in book you give her book (like a silent film) phone call direct, so voicemail doesn't get erased by random kid accidentally etc. So she either sees you or hears you and knows it is you and you know you have officially made the first move good and proper. Tech is riskier than messenger pigeon. Really. Seriously. Leave nothing to chance. Tech is chance. Just look at Nortel...

[check_mate]

Sometimes I wish people showed their interest like cartoon characters, with little animated hearts floating above their heads.

YES, HEAR HEAR!!! I SECOND THAT!!! Most definitely yes. Insecurity would not sabotage all things wonderful and immobilize otherwise sane individuals.

[check_mate]

I find find it endlessly ironic and annoying that I can pick up on all kinds of things with me people except this, and it is one of the most important things I would want to be able to discern.

I even flipped to the other extreme and tried researching it as if attraction was a equation I could work out. I don't really know what my end game would have been though. I guess I would have worked the equation out and proved to her scientifically (!) she liked me. "Miss, after weeks of research, I have noticed that you have looked at me and held my gaze for 4+ seconds (2 more than the average person) on 3 different occasions this week, we have run into each other "accidentally" 8 times this week, which is a stark 28% increase from last week, and you always adjust your clothes or hair when I am around (an act known as preening that is linked to attraction); all this scientifically proves that you like me." Its like a fricking game of chess or something to me.

I also find it irritating and ironic that I am never more than one mere question away from knowing the truth, yet I might as well be on the other side of the planet as far as ease of communication is concerned.

Meh, don’t feel bad. Even amazing mind probing INFJ types can miss the forest for the trees sometimes.

I love research, I am hyper analytical. Annoying to myself and most beings, this trait. But this doesn’t surprise me, as I work as a Linguistic Art Research Specialist, among many things, and I can’t turn the research part off after hours *big sigh*

I guess I picture this as something of an art. Mastering my ability to turn my relentless environmental or social analysis off.

Maybe being forced to play chess since I was in diapers has something to do with it. Not sure... Romantic game, chess. Just two players.

P.S. If you should somehow find the lady is an ENTP, not very likely though, but if you should. Their biggest strengths are communication and telling the truth. And both of these are usually annoying to a lot of people. Oh, and multi-tasking. They multi-task like a trooper. Oh and they can predict eventualities. They are not linear thinkers.

P.P.S. This talent I have for analysis, is what moves me to tell you, that giving up on her, would be a bad idea.

[ohnoezitsjoez]

The similarities are absolutely uncanny. Very bizarre. Well, if she is studious, she might be smart, and if she is smart in a business kind of way, she might be like me and got her divorce papers very quickly after the whole mess. I got mine, for instance in 2009.

Again, the whole married thing is a hunch, I really have no idea, no data. I feel sleazy sniffing around a married woman though, you know? I have tried to see if she wears a ring on her hand but even that isnt 100% accurate. And I know she is at least head smart, our company is IT and she works with an archaic mainframe platform that I swear requires wizardry to understand.

Children are highly intuitive though, like animals. Maybe my face betrayed I had a lot on my mind? They are always very attracted to me, I will never know why, and animals won't leave me alone, I kid not, livestock to domestic pets, to bears in the wild.

I do warm up very quickly to animals and they to me (except I havent tried a bear exactly xD). I have this silly fantasy where I am able to communicate with birds, and I walk outside my work and there is a songbird and it flies up and lands on my finger. I tell it land over by that lady Im talking about and sing her his best and brightest song. I wish I had that kind of connection. Anyway kids are kinda weird around me in a "stranger" kind of way. Because I dont immediately open up to them, we usually stay away from each other. However if I am forced into interaction, I do surprisingly well despite freaking out. I had my two year old third cousin wrapped around my finger for a month. I would draw her sponge bob and make the voices and play with her. However if a coworker brings their child to work, my face is glued to my screen and I pray they dont interact with me or their parent doesnt force it. Kinda sucks really because I really do like them.

Here's a good link Assertiveness: Assertive Versus Unassertive and Aggressive Behavior I think it will explain it to a T

The link and your description made me realize I was using the wrong word. I wasn't aware aggressive had a negative connotation, I mainly used it to indicate forward proactive action. Being unable to make that move toward her stems from a lot of deeper issues, though, and applies to more than her. I cant walk up and ask a Walmart employee a question or whatever. It is like I hit a mental wall and my body is physically denied the commands to do it. With her, though, its extra tough because she brings different dynamics to the table that a Walmart employee doesnt. My inability to act is compounded. Dont get me wrong, I have thought about it. All my attempts end up being passive aggressive though (passive assertive maybe? idk) I went home and got some books to bring to work to read on breaks, and I timed it so I would be carrying them in as she was leaving for lunch (is it creepy I know her lunch time?). This would give her a chance to comment, but nothing. We just exchanged passing pleasantries. Why do I ladle calculation upon comedy, why do I not insist the ball be in my court? Gah, irritating to fight against your own makeup.

Yeah, it's the same for me with the INXX. I've been around the world, literally, and there has never been this connection with anyone. Yeah, it is scary but I think I know where my fear is coming from. I have a theory, which I won't share on the forum. I guess, it is beyond rare this connection. EPIC. Like an echo that won't go away, it's to intense to ignore for me anyway. That's why my annoying feelings tell me I can't date anyone else. Even logic looks at me baffled and shakes his head. I couldn't explain, the coincidences, the electric connection, his amazing subtexting (which I have often thought about as a pick me up, when feeling a bit down,) and everything else..... without sounding like I needed some serious psychiatric help, so I keep it to myself.

I am really glad that you understand that. I always feel like I come across like the dreamy eyed teenage girl lovestruck by the star football player when I talk about the effect this lady has on me. I have had crushes all my life, they come and go. This isnt like that. This is next level stuff. I dont say its magic because I want to say poetic, its literally the best word I know to describe it as objectively as possible. It is a raw energy that... its just nearly ineffable, I dont even know how to try to explain it. The most baffling thing is it isnt based on knowledge. I dont know much of anything about this girl, I literally mean little to nothing. And it isnt based fully on physical attraction, though that is certainly a part. Its.. idk. More.

And the coincidences. I am envious that you actually see him out and about. I dont see this lady, but I see her name (a unique spelling for a commonish name) and her van color+make+model+year all the time. I dont put much stock in these meaning anything, but it does get annoying because all it does it remind me. Some would suggest that they arent any more common it is just that I am noticing them more than other vehicles, but I disproven that by taking count of various other vehicles and how many times I see them. Also with names.

I've known something beyond me was at work for quite a while.

Assuming I havent misunderstood what you meant by this, I have been very careful before assigning any kind of "higher" entity (higher than me) is at work in my life. Not that I am discrediting the idea, Im not. I just lost... about 5 years to doing just that and still havent recovered. Long story that one. Anyway, while having this conversation with you, the similarities and how it feels like you are really someone experiencing something so similar makes me wonder if this is more than coincidence for me. Maybe you telling me I should talk to her is some divine providence at work. Of course I analyze it to death. I am torn between two old pieces of wisdom when it comes to "signs from heaven." One is the story about the man trapped on a roof during a flood, God sent him a boat and a helicopter etc but he didnt take them because he was waiting for divine special deliverance... when the "sign" was in his face the entire time. I dont want to do that. Still I dont want to so eagerly jump on something that appears to be a "sign" because the old folks used to say if you go hunting a sign, the devil will paint you a billboard. I swear the thought crossed my mind though.

BTW you talking about loving thunderstorms, have you checked out RainyMood.com: Rain makes everything better. Amazing. The thunder could be a little stronger for my taste.

You should probably know this, but if you don't I will jar your memory perhaps? No, going out on the limb itself is not risky, I feel that strongly. I just thought, trusting technology like FB, and the flawed nature of technology in general, would not be something I would consider, if I was a guy.

Ahh OK, this was my hunch but I wanted to be sure I hadnt missed something.

This is because if the lady was of any great significance to me, I would make sure I handled the situation directly, so technology wouldn't screw up message delivery aka "FB message not received". Like note in hand, note in book you give her book (like a silent film) phone call direct, so voicemail doesn't get erased by random kid accidentally etc. So she either sees you or hears you and knows it is you and you know you have officially made the first move good and proper. Tech is riskier than messenger pigeon. Really. Seriously. Leave nothing to chance. Tech is chance. Just look at Nortel...

Id rather not talk about Nortel, I deal enough with Nortel/Avaya VPN software at work to make me sick :P

Honestly when I read your post, I didnt know how to react. I went out and took a drive, and was pleasantly surprised to see the super moon I had forgotten about. I was just driving and thinking, and for the first time, I honestly regretted sending that Facebook message. You have almost convinced me to consider making a formal approach (the ideas you mentioned were great too, like note in book). Granted I doubt I will, but it challenges my whole thinking behind why I did it, and that is not insignificant to me. Which leads me to my question...

This talent I have for analysis, is what moves me to tell you, that giving up on her, would be a bad idea.

I am just curious what this analysis is based on. I dont know much about this lady, so I know the information I could relay to you would be minimal. I had resigned myself to giving up on her because I didn't see much chance for "success", which to me would be her being available and reciprocating the interest (I would even take intrigue at this point). I have a feeling your idea of success in this situation, the reason you dont think I should give up, may differ.

[check_mate]

Again, the whole married thing is a hunch, I really have no idea, no data. I feel sleazy sniffing around a married woman though, you know? I have tried to see if she wears a ring on her hand but even that isnt 100% accurate. And I know she is at least head smart, our company is IT and she works with an archaic mainframe platform that I swear requires wizardry to understand.

Yeah, you should def. make sure she’s divorced. Most divorced people don’t wear rings. I did when I was separated for a long time, I thought it was proper, while still separated to keep guys away, so as not to mislead them. Even before my divorce was final I couldn’t stand seeing it on my hand anymore, and thought, I don’t need a ring to do this, and I will be divorced soon so why wear this ring which means nothing to me anymore and represents a lie, in fact. I was so relieved when I got the final papers.

I do warm up very quickly to animals and they to me (except I havent tried a bear exactly xD). I have this silly fantasy where I am able to communicate with birds, and I walk outside my work and there is a songbird and it flies up and lands on my finger. I tell it land over by that lady Im talking about and sing her his best and brightest song. I wish I had that kind of connection. Anyway kids are kinda weird around me in a "stranger" kind of way. Because I dont immediately open up to them, we usually stay away from each other. However if I am forced into interaction, I do surprisingly well despite freaking out. I had my two year old third cousin wrapped around my finger for a month. I would draw her sponge bob and make the voices and play with her. However if a coworker brings their child to work, my face is glued to my screen and I pray they dont interact with me or their parent doesnt force it. Kinda sucks really because I really do like them.

Birds are cool, but I feel bad when they are in a cage. It isn’t natural for them. They were meant to fly and explore. No animal was designed for a cage. Thats just a mean human thing. On kids, yeah the little ones are so unpredictable and alien aren’t they? Cute, but can make you feel weird. I was this way before I had kids, this steering clear thing. I can be like that a bit now with kids in general, but wasn’t with my own. My brother and some of his friends are totally phobic with little kids. It’s funny. My brother is better now, but thats just with his baby. He is still so awkward and talks to his baby like an adult. He can’t do baby talk lol NT people are like this I have found.

The link and your description made me realize I was using the wrong word. I wasn't aware aggressive had a negative connotation, I mainly used it to indicate forward proactive action. Being unable to make that move toward her stems from a lot of deeper issues, though, and applies to more than her. I cant walk up and ask a Walmart employee a question or whatever. It is like I hit a mental wall and my body is physically denied the commands to do it. With her, though, its extra tough because she brings different dynamics to the table that a Walmart employee doesnt.

I get the Walmart thing. That place is like purgatory. I mean, I give you full kudos if you can find a living breathing Walmart employee in the place when you have a question. lol But back to assertiveness. There are courses people just take for personal assertiveness. Usually in larger cities. It is a life changing skill, and fun once you practice it first in small ways, then in larger ways. I really had to learn it. I was extremely shy in school and began learning it in college, for years, and then I had the skill. I think it was the most beneficial thing I learned, everything else almost.... meh, useless knowledge often, lol :-)

I am really glad that you understand that. I always feel like I come across like the dreamy eyed teenage girl lovestruck by the star football player when I talk about the effect this lady has on me. I have had crushes all my life, they come and go. This isnt like that. This is next level stuff. I dont say its magic because I want to say poetic, its literally the best word I know to describe it as objectively as possible. It is a raw energy that... its just nearly ineffable, I dont even know how to try to explain it. The most baffling thing is it isnt based on knowledge. I don't know much of anything about this girl, I literally mean little to nothing. And it isnt based fully on physical attraction, though that is certainly a part. Its.. idk. More.

I know a lot of little random things about the INXX, since I knew him for years, and people and his friends would chat about him. But, there is a lot I don’t know I’m sure. That’s part of the fun though, really. Can you imagine handing out manuals on yourself lol? I like the idea though. I think he might not like me if he knew how insecure I am, deep inside.

And the coincidences. I am envious that you actually see him out and about. I dont see this lady, but I see her name (a unique spelling for a commonish name) and her van color+make+model+year all the time. I dont put much stock in these meaning anything, but it does get annoying because all it does it remind me. Some would suggest that they arent any more common it is just that I am noticing them more than other vehicles, but I disproven that by taking count of various other vehicles and how many times I see them. Also with names.

Your van spotting is very sweet IMO. I do the same stuff. lol

Assuming I havent misunderstood what you meant by this, I have been very careful before assigning any kind of "higher" entity (higher than me) is at work in my life. Not that I am discrediting the idea, Im not. I just lost... about 5 years to doing just that and still havent recovered. Long story that one. Anyway, while having this conversation with you, the similarities and how it feels like you are really someone experiencing something so similar makes me wonder if this is more than coincidence for me. Maybe you telling me I should talk to her is some divine providence at work. Of course I analyze it to death. I am torn between two old pieces of wisdom when it comes to "signs from heaven." One is the story about the man trapped on a roof during a flood, God sent him a boat and a helicopter etc but he didnt take them because he was waiting for divine special deliverance... when the "sign" was in his face the entire time. I dont want to do that. Still I dont want to so eagerly jump on something that appears to be a "sign" because the old folks used to say if you go hunting a sign, the devil will paint you a billboard. I swear the thought crossed my mind though.

I wouldn’t tell you my advice is divine providence. Those types of things usually remain in the sphere of “unknown”. I just know that immobilization is not a positive feeling, everyone feels it sometimes, some more than others, but that it is not something unconquerable. Meditate on this. You personally can slay the dragon. Hero types, always do. It’s a universal law, see? If the lady means enough.

BTW you talking about loving thunderstorms, have you checked out RainyMood.com: Rain makes everything better. Amazing. The thunder could be a little stronger for my taste.

Love your storm link, now that site will be just another of 15 windows that will be open on my laptop while I’m working....great. (sarcastic)

I am just curious what this analysis is based on. I dont know much about this lady, so I know the information I could relay to you would be minimal. I had resigned myself to giving up on her because I didn't see much chance for "success", which to me would be her being available and reciprocating the interest (I would even take intrigue at this point). I have a feeling your idea of success in this situation, the reason you dont think I should give up, may differ.

Well, most women love to know they have a secret admirer, even if the women weren’t interested. For instance, I had some potential suitors in the past when single and very young, and kindly declined, and kept it quiet, for their sakes. Now I’m single again, and wiser. If the INXX asked me out, I would agree, because he is interesting, and the connection is more than interesting. I guess I picture myself, as being similar to this lady you like, and I guess I feel bad for her. Maybe she is like me and very traditional and quirky about certain things. Maybe she had originally always sensed your attraction, and then took your passiveness as disinterest? I hate misunderstandings. But they come from a lack of communication, always. In my case, my INXX crush may just be toying with me, and he is not as sincere, and honest as you are. Most likely he doesn't write beautiful letters to me, like you did with the Enchantress, and wouldn't think to. Still he seems like a gentlemen, so I could be wrong on this. Maybe he has potential? I’ll have to wait and see I guess. I'm a sucker for poetry or prose, so if he actually did sincerely like me, and figures that weakness out, I'm toast.

[ohnoezitsjoez]

Yeah, you should def. make sure she’s divorced. Most divorced people don’t wear rings.

However there are other reasons for someone to not wear a ring, such as being cleaned. I cant trust that, the day I happen to finally get a good glimpse and notice no ring, that it isnt merely being cleaned or whatever. I would need someone more concrete than that.

And concrete requires that directness I have never learned. I wish I would have looked into learning those things when I was younger.

Your van spotting is very sweet IMO. I do the same stuff. lol

not the response I was expecting... I always figured that sort of thing was seen as trivial, obsessive or "blown out of proportion" and other forms of dismissal. Interesting you consider it sweet.

Meditate on this. You personally can slay the dragon. Hero types, always do. It’s a universal law, see? If the lady means enough.

Kudos for knowing the exact imagery needed to appeal to me, though that fight has long since been waged.

Well, most women love to know they have a secret admirer, even if the women weren’t interested.

Ideally I want to believe this. However I know the world has changed. People now worry about stalkers and their own safety, and understandably so. It drives me crazy that a simple handwritten letter adorned with a single harmless flower (even a daisy, if the innocence of the gesture wasnt pronounced enough) is considered odd and off putting. In this damned age of pick-up lines and style over substance, the geneuine gestures are now the weird ones.

I’ll have to wait and see I guess.

She took my passiveness as disinterest, and I took her passiveness as disinterest. If only one of two parties involved would take the single step necessary to find out, since either party could initiate it.

It always fascinates me how the answer can be so simple, yet be a gigantic hurdle, especially a hurdle that so many have zero problem with.

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Ideally I want to believe this. However I know the world has changed. People now worry about stalkers and their own safety, and understandably so. It drives me crazy that a simple handwritten letter adorned with a single harmless flower (even a daisy, if the innocence of the gesture wasnt pronounced enough) is considered odd and off putting. In this damned age of pick-up lines and style over substance, the geneuine gestures are now the weird ones.

You know, this gets me too. I hate pickup lines and hell isn't freezing over anytime soon so you'll never catch me at a bar or club. It really bothers me adequately expressing yourself is looked at as weird anymore. False presentations are shallow and it sucks society revolves around them so much.

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not the response I was expecting... I always figured that sort of thing was seen as trivial, obsessive or "blown out of proportion" and other forms of dismissal. Interesting you consider it sweet.

Any kind of attentiveness to someone you like would be sweet, wouldn't it. It's all in the details, I would say.

Kudos for knowing the exact imagery needed to appeal to me, though that fight has long since been waged.

I thought you might like that. INXXs are total romantics it would seem. Hence the poetry and prose. I have a huge binder of poetry, prose and songs I wrote for years, I take out once in a while to read. What a weird ENTP. Closet romantic ICK!!!!

Ideally I want to believe this. However I know the world has changed. People now worry about stalkers and their own safety, and understandably so. It drives me crazy that a simple handwritten letter adorned with a single harmless flower (even a daisy, if the innocence of the gesture wasnt pronounced enough) is considered odd and off putting. In this damned age of pick-up lines and style over substance, the geneuine gestures are now the weird ones.

I guess some guys out there, still have a bit of class....., but you're right, most don't. I am all about historical romance, like Pride and Prejudice. My friends and I do a party every year or two and watch stuff like that. Isn't that sad lol No one understands us. Oh well, tough for them.

She took my passiveness as disinterest, and I took her passiveness as disinterest. If only one of two parties involved would take the single step necessary to find out, since either party could initiate it.

Thanks to you and your advice, I initiated it today. We'll see what happens.....

[The Forlorn]

Do you guys get shy, nervous?
I don't, but I'm accused to being shy a lot, in reality I'm just not interested in what's going on. If I like somebody I'm sure I won't come off as shy. Though I don't just walk up and start talking to people, I always find it awkward.
Or do you guys flirt?
I honestly wouldn't know if I was or wasn't, never thought about it.... Now I have to figure that out.
Is it possible for you to like more than one people at the same time?
Like? Sure. Love? Definitely not.
Do you guys wait or do you easily give up when the feelings are not reciprocated?
I give up fast. I do not do well with rejection, even if it's passive rejection.
Do you form a sort of an idealized image when you like people?
I don't think so, no. I tend to see people as who they are and accept them how they are.