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  1. #71

    In a sea of apathy; it's wondrous. But of course, most people are stuck living life on 'idle' as if they have all the time in the world...


    But life can be like a Great White Shark that's missed it's supper.

    But seriously, there's some really trying issues out there and it's like, "wha? seriously?" people are that bothered by passion and concern? what's with all the feigned 'cool' man detached, jaded, and cynical depositions. Like wow, you're just, you won. A+
    Last edited by ShadowsRunner; 02-18-2016 at 03:51 AM.
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  2. #72

    This is the first time im hearing of that term "social justice warrior." What is its definition??

    My assumption is someone who dedicates their life to the cause of some sort of social justice such as racism, sexism, speciesism, or more. If that is the case, then we must look at the progress that has been achieved by these individuals- take William Wilberforce, for example. This man really got in peoples faces about the slave trade and was extremely effective in bringing about irs abolition in Europe. Awesome guy, but he really annoyed people for years and years. Ultimately, he got his way, and we've all benefitted from it.

    Martin Luther king Jr would be another one. Constantly "nagging" people about the troubles of racism, and oh look where we are today- black people can actually go to college and eat with white people.

    If "social justice warrior" means an individual who lives in such a way that constantly brings awareness to real life problems in an attempt to make the world a better place, then I like them. And I want to meet more of them.

  3. #73

    Quote Originally Posted by kittenklyn View Post
    This is the first time im hearing of that term "social justice warrior." What is its definition??

    My assumption is someone who dedicates their life to the cause of some sort of social justice such as racism, sexism, speciesism, or more. If that is the case, then we must look at the progress that has been achieved by these individuals- take William Wilberforce, for example. This man really got in peoples faces about the slave trade and was extremely effective in bringing about irs abolition in Europe. Awesome guy, but he really annoyed people for years and years. Ultimately, he got his way, and we've all benefitted from it.

    Martin Luther king Jr would be another one. Constantly "nagging" people about the troubles of racism, and oh look where we are today- black people can actually go to college and eat with white people.

    If "social justice warrior" means an individual who lives in such a way that constantly brings awareness to real life problems in an attempt to make the world a better place, then I like them. And I want to meet more of them.
    No lol. thats not what they are fighting for. Martin luther king jr is not like modern SJW. he did not talk about silencing or demonizing the opposition. He did not suggest we should ban everything we do not like, or create safe spaces for themselves so they feel comfortable 100% of the life. He had an ideal, but he also have a plan and an organized group of people. he won people's support not through bullying, unlike todays SJW hate mobs.
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  4. #74

    Quote Originally Posted by kittenklyn View Post
    This is the first time im hearing of that term "social justice warrior." What is its definition??

    My assumption is someone who dedicates their life to the cause of some sort of social justice such as racism, sexism, speciesism, or more. If that is the case, then we must look at the progress that has been achieved by these individuals- take William Wilberforce, for example. This man really got in peoples faces about the slave trade and was extremely effective in bringing about irs abolition in Europe. Awesome guy, but he really annoyed people for years and years. Ultimately, he got his way, and we've all benefitted from it.

    Martin Luther king Jr would be another one. Constantly "nagging" people about the troubles of racism, and oh look where we are today- black people can actually go to college and eat with white people.

    If "social justice warrior" means an individual who lives in such a way that constantly brings awareness to real life problems in an attempt to make the world a better place, then I like them. And I want to meet more of them.
    I guess you need the rundown on what the modern SJW's are like:

    Spoiled brats who expect the rest of the world to coddle them their entire lives.

    Idiots who will try to make you feel guilty for simply being a heterosexual, white male.

    Self-obsessed people who will do anything to shoehorn themselves into the 'Oppressed Minority' group so they can pull out their victim cards as much as possible. (Being a victim seems to be really trendy right now.)

    Privileged college kids throwing temper tantrums and demanding safe spaces because they might be offended by some Halloween costumes.

    Delusional people who refuse to take off their rose colored glasses and demand trigger warnings for everything because they want to ignore all the bad things in this world and live in their fairy unicorn land. (Damn it, safe spaces and trigger warnings were originally for people with severe mental issues like PTSD, not for sheltered crybabies who refuse to develop some emotional resilience!)

    Morons who will whine about you being racist and micro aggressive if you have the audacity to ask a person of a different race about their nationality, or even give them compliments regarding their nationality. (examples: "So, what country is your family from?" and, "You have a really cool accent!")

    Pseudo-feminists who bitch and moan about female characters in video games showing too much cleavage, but hardly (if ever) say a word about real women who are actually suffering, like women in the middle east being stoned to death for being raped.

    These are the people we're talking about, not the legitimate warriors like MLK and the Suffragettes. People who put themselves at risk for the greater good of humanity instead of their own personal gain are the ones I really respect. Speaking up for the powerless and going out of their way to educate as many people as they can is what a real SJW would do, the modern SJW's just want to complain about their hurt feelings.

    Well, I went on yet, another tangent and I apologize. These people just annoy me so much that I don't know how else to describe them.
    Last edited by FeelsandReals; 02-18-2016 at 04:42 PM.
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  5. #75

    'SJW' to me is largely synonymous with kafkatrapping.


    'The aim of the kafkatrap is to produce a kind of free-floating guilt in the subject, a conviction of sinfulness that can be manipulated by the operator to make the subject say and do things that are convenient to the operator’s personal, political, or religious goals. Ideally, the subject will then internalize these demands, and then become complicit in the kafkatrapping of others.'



    'One very notable pathology is a form of argument that, reduced to essence, runs like this: “Your refusal to acknowledge that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…} confirms that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…}.” '



    'My reference, of course, is to Franz Kafka’s “The Trial”, in which the protagonist Josef K. is accused of crimes the nature of which are never actually specified, and enmeshed in a process designed to degrade, humiliate, and destroy him whether or not he has in fact committed any crime at all. The only way out of the trap is for him to acquiesce in his own destruction; indeed, forcing him to that point of acquiescence and the collapse of his will to live as a free human being seems to be the only point of the process, if it has one at all. '
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  6. #76
    INFJ - The Protectors

    I agree very much with you. I have the greatest compassion for those who suffer injustice, but I hate nothing more than those who try to paint themselves as victims for personal gain.

    I think that much of the current 'social justice' activism is pushed by those in the -studies departments at American universities. Much of the curricula in these programs focuses on a particular minority group as victim of white and male oppression, a conspiracy so large as to be unfathomable in its scope and evil intent. They drive home their message by taking large and complex social issues and reducing them down to a good vs. evil dichotomy. Essentially, they operate under the base assumption that all individuals who are minorities are victims in every life circumstance. This fits their neat and tidy narrative that minorities are always oppressed, the victims of evil white people and the power structure they've created. The true complexity of the issues would only dull their narrative.

    The reality, of course, is much dirtier and more complex. Minorities and women are oppressed every day. So are white people and men. Not all white people live as minor potentates in their suburban duchies. Many of them struggle to overcome obstacles as well, including obstacles arrayed against them by the prevailing power structure. Try to embark on a career in Corporate America or government with a Southern accent speaking like a NASCAR color commentator. Try being accepted into the social structure of an Ivy League university with a name like Kolbashinski. Not every white person is a 'decider'; not every minority is a victim.

    I believe that much of the nonsense we see today from the SJWs arises from the distorted world views they cultivate by spending too much time in their own echo chambers. Fragmentation and factionalization of thought are pervasive in public discourse today. People tend to only listen to those voices that confirm their own thoughts and values. Dissent and opposing viewpoints are no longer valued, even in the academic circles that once sanctified rationality. Diversity of thought is no longer welcomed at many American universities.

    Underpinning all of this is money, of course. The professional academics who lead the discourse on social justice have a vested financial interest in creating strife where none actually exists. They need concepts like 'microaggressions' and 'safe spaces' for job security. When a corporation is trying to address 'diversity' issues, who are they most likely to consult? And the last time I checked, tenured professors have it pretty good, with flexible schedules, professional autonomy, and fat little retirement plans awaiting them at the end of the rainbow. So it bears remembering that some folks hold a material interest in the creation of new and more arcane concepts of social injustice.
    Last edited by Elvish Lives; 02-18-2016 at 11:08 AM.
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  7. #77

    I like that they care. But I just hate how they are bigoted and are so unprepared with their plans. They are hypocrites really, they discriminate others if they don't hold the same views whilst pursuing change for a 'better world'.
    They get offended and personal about things so easily and that combined with their inability to see reality and effect change in the world we live in-- in the way it is, does not make for a good activist. Its like they hear one thing, get emotional, and run with it without actually taking the time to think thoroughly how their plans will play out practically... if they even have one.

    tldr; Emotional dreamers without their feet on the ground.

    (by "they" I mean the majority of SJWs I have met)
    Last edited by Coherence; 02-18-2016 at 05:20 PM.
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  8. #78
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvish Lives View Post
    I have the greatest compassion for those who suffer injustice, but I hate nothing more than those who try to paint themselves as victims for personal gain.
    ...nailed it.
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  9. #79

    I don't think SJWs are going to take over the world like the internet makes out. Western Civilization has become more culturally divided within the past 50 years than ever before, and because of that no single group has any real power over social issues. The SJWs only have a small shard of power, with all the other shards belonging to other social rights groups. And all these social rights groups are just screaming together at the same volume, making each other's voices incoherent and accomplishing nothing.

    Welcome to cultural pluralism. You can believe in anything you want, and will probably find some people who think the same way, but your beliefs will have no power over a large group of people because there's an infinite amount of groups competing for power. Is this good or bad, I don't know.

    We're all equally powerless over social issues. We only think there's someone more powerful than us because we're conditioned to be in fear of that, and that's blinding us from seeing how fractured and broken we are as a society.

    This post isn't really about SJWs and jumps around a lot, but screw it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coherence View Post
    I like that they care.
    People will always get a point in my book for caring, even if it's for something stupid. Too many people don't care about anything.
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  10. #80
    Unknown Personality

    "I can do whatever I want to you because you're privileged, but you can't do anything to me because I'm oppressed. Anything I do to you is for a good political reason and is always justified because of my social identity." (The mentality of some modern SJWs I've come across)


     
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