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This is a discussion on Do You Believe In God(s)? within the INFJ Forum - The Protectors forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; I don't believe in God, and hate when family, friends, and whoever else basically tells me im going not going ...

  1. #41
    INFJ - The Protectors

    I don't believe in God, and hate when family, friends, and whoever else basically tells me im going not going to heaven just because I dont believe. If there was a God, I believe we wouldnt be in an unjust world.
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  2. #42
    INFJ - The Protectors

    I was born into Christianity, but I don't agree entirely with it. I just believe there is a God, and he goes by what he sees in your heart, rather than what religion you belong to or how much money you pay the church. There are many terrible people that go to church and do all that church stuff, and they're just as awful as the next. What's in your heart is all that I believe matters.
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  3. #43
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Agnostic Atheist. Don't know if there is a God or not but choose not to believe in one based on insufficient evidence made by religious claims that there is one. I feel like I've become more and more skeptical over the years concerning claims over everything and really try to employ a questioning mindset towards things. I don't feel depressed as some religious folks would think just because I don't have the assurance that a sky daddy is watching my every move. In fact, saying there is one seems like such a leap to me and just ruins the opportunity to have any further inquiry. Just because we don't know all the answers doesn't mean we can posit "oh, god did it." and have everything finalized. The existence is just that - a mystery waiting to be solved. Be humble and give it time.
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  4. #44
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Sunshine View Post
    If there was a God, I believe we wouldnt be in an unjust world.
    Lol, I'm sorry but that's placing your definition of justice on something and then making yourself the quantifier of whether or not that something exists. lol. That's basically what religion does: it exists or does not exist because we say so, not because we've explored the possibility. If God exists, then He exists whether or not you think He's just. ;)
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  5. #45
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Here's how I see it. If God exists, he doesn't exist to fix issues that humanity created for themselves. As parents are not gonna fix issues their ADULT children have created. Just because one is God, doesn't mean he HAS to step in and fix everything that was done by the bratty children that created the issues at large. Basically, you make a mess, you clean it up. Your parents will tell you the same. :)

    People just like to have something or someone to blame for their own inability to take responsibility for their own actions. Even if WE are not responsible for world hunger, humanity has the power to fix it, and does not require divine power. Just saying. :D
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  6. #46
    INFJ - The Protectors

    I do not belong to a religion, or rather, a denomination. I loosely describe myself as a non-denominational Christian. I strongly dislike organized religion; there is too much pretense and insincerity, and personally, I would rather be honest and not attend church if I am doing it out of obligation and not sincerity.

    I undoubtedly believe there is a God. The question is how God approaches us. It's rather hard to describe, but there is a sort of energy I sense in the world, and it is visible in the aspect of synchronicity - when the world's events seem to just fall into the right place, all at the right time. When you personally experience it, it is an entirely different matter, which pulls me towards the more Christian idea of God. I am, however, a little adverse to submitting to the idea totally, because I am unsure whether this "truth" I see is merely just a change in my perception. Regardless - synchronicity is a very, very odd thing. You might not even notice it. It's God's way of showing you, hey, I'm still here and I am giving you what is best for you - not what you desire - will you take it? Ask, and you shall receive - but you must have faith that what is being given is going to be the best for you, and that you may be broken as a part of the grander plans at hand - your pain is only a perception, and will be used to mend you whole. God never said it would be easy.

    And it's this eerie concept that draws me ever so close to God...but still, my nature intrudes and I must call to question everything, pushing myself away. Faith is a difficult thing for me to have, especially a "pure" faith devoid of emotional or logistical crutches. God has taken care of me even when I have doubted, but still I struggle, as everyone does. However, the reason I can keep believing is because when I allow God to work in my life, I reap the rewards. One of my favorite quotes: "Maybe the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman." ~Unknown. (work it out yourself. )

    Either way, my life would of course be entirely different if I had knowledge of whether God existed or not. According to Michael Polanyi, one dynamic of the human mind is the desire to have everything make sense. So everything turns into an expectation. We have expectations to fulfill our desire of knowledge; some may be more easily satisfied, feeling that that have a sufficient amount of information to judge that, but for many others, the expectation is irrefutable proof. Once that expectation is met we are left again unsatisfied because the expectation is met.

    If we knew about God, and that He was undeniably existing, for one, the idea of free choice is null. The concept of free will, is that God lets us choose whether or not to love Him. Because that is what love is; you cannot force someone to love you, that isn't love. If we knew that God existed, yes, we could continue living life but we would have an undeniable doubt that God existed. And so, the expectation of knowing the enigma of God is satisfied, and therefore, our quest for knowledge of one of the most puzzling things is finished. What quest is there to take upon once that it is done? What is the purpose, after that? To serve God? This is slavery, and there would be no purpose behind that, since there is nothing to slave for. Is it to discover every facet of God? That is irrelevant.

    On the other hand, if we knew God undeniably didn't exist, then what's even the point of life? Perhaps I'm inclined to still believe in God since it's static, unchanging, and this uncertainty keeps a certain spark in my life. But I don't believe things would be the same if we knew God didn't exist. Efforts to better humanity would be useless as, I would assume, would just self-destruct upon the freedom to do whatever they want. I mean, we're all going to die anyways, why not just take what you can get and do whatever, you know? If we knew that God did, or didn't, exist, then purpose ceases to exist. This is why I believe it is better for mankind not to know if God exists or not, and to leave God as an enigma.

    (Also, to answer the topic of science: someone told me, once, that science does not prove or disprove the existence of God. Science only explains how God's creation works. To me, that is the most sensible viewpoint I have seen thus far. )
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  7. #47
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Thats your opinion, and that was mine. I dont believe in God becuase how can some spirit create man? Becuase who would have created him. I believe in evolution. I think that in different religions their "God" was a man who helped out people, but over time it got translated into being some mystical creature. I also believe some people believe there is a God becuase they have no where to turn, and that helps them move along. But personally, I cannot believe the stories that have been told. And if there is a God, which religion is right? How can this God punish those who dont believe in that exact religion?

  8. #48
    Unknown Personality

    I believe in God. I believe in God because I believe in Love.

    I have done many terrible things and never been punished.
    I have come to my faith not through fire or water, but through loving hands and many hours praying.
    I was brought up in an organized religion... I believe that organization is the problem with religion.
    If you want to believe that I'm crazy when I say that I have often felt a loving and good presence in my life and been saved time and again coincidentally, that's fine because I know that my faith doesn't make God real for anyone except myself.

    And if that inner reality is all that there is to God, then I'm just a lucky person to have it in my soul, I guess.
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  9. #49
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by ardentauthor View Post
    Do you belong to a religion? Do you think there is a God or Gods? Depending on your position, how different do you think life would be if you knew that a God (or Gods) did/didn't exist?

    I know there are lots of topics about this, but I wanted to see what INFJs thought. :)
    Baptist christian moderate, and if I didn't think there was a god I wouldn't be a christian lol

    I was barely a christian for most of my life, more like a random itle than anything so I guess I was atheist or at least not a very functional christian for most of my life, and It can be ok, but for me it is a hollow and empty life living that way
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