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    ENTP - The Visionaries


    Reading the Devil's Advocate - How to

    Here's how I judge when someone's playing a devil's advocate and isn't really interested in the discussion, but rather enjoying "playing" with the people.

    Leading questions --- Usually answering questions with questions designed to poke and prod at the person's mind in an effort to gauge the person's stance before actually revealing their own point of view

    Tone of voice --- semi-curious, either very confident, or slightly tentative, also slight hints of sarcasm designed to provoke some sort of emotional response in order to cloud the other person's rationality

    Posture --- Overly calm, unemotional which shows dispassion about the subject. Leaning back, or forward - the gaze is either too piercing or almost distracted. Sometimes busy playing with something. Not really using hand gestures a lot. Not very fidgety and usually very controlled body language

    Facial expressions -- Smirks slightly at responses that the devil's advocate can easily counter. A gleam in the eye that one gets when they've "cornered" someone. A wry smile when the other person starts getting emotional.

    Verbalization of arguments --- rarely able to hold a consistent view-point, jumping from argument to argument, usually contradicting self, and ignoring call outs of inconsistent thought. Arguments laced with subtle personal attacks. Almost always has absolutist statements. Tries to go in for the kill slowly. Most often doesn't reveal their own stand and able to switch from one side to the other depending on what view point the opponent is taking.

    So .. how do you read when you're being "played" in an argument?
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    1. leading questions, definitely. if in general someone speaks authoritatively, asking questions would be out of character for them, so i will be more inclined to view a logical question from them as a challenge to prove what i'm saying or lose...unless it's a rhetorical question, of course. ;)

    2. the personality type of the person speaking. no broad MBTI generalizations here, but i do consider the behavioral habits of the person speaking (which may or may not coincide with their MBTI stereotype)...do they tend to make statements to get a rise out of people and are they playful as well as intellectual? if so, i'll assume that it's likely they are playing devil's advocate. do they display an overall love for debate and intellectual discussions? if so, they could be serious or playing. so i'll study their body language to determine whether they are in this discussion for fun or serious about it.

    for instance, i can think of an ENTP irl who could give it all away by a twinkle in his eye, a hint of a grin, a relaxed rather than earnest pose, absence of defensive body language when his point was being refuted, and a slightly happy tone in his voice while arguing. his body language would indicate if he was trying to get you to consider the whole issue from an alternate viewpoint that he didn't even hold himself. if he was actually serious about a discussion, his body language was markedly different.
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    Unknown Personality

    Hmm both posts sum it up nicely. I find the facial expressions the easiest way to spot one and when I do play along. It kind of ruins what they are up to or makes it fun if they realize you caught them so a possible playful banter can arise.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Lol. I love playing Devils Advocate. Usually when people become overemotional (because they think I'm arguing against them), it gets annoying because I just want them to consider the other side.

    Anyone who tries this on me will usually be disappointed. I can tell when someones doing this fairly easily.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I'm too busy being polite to suspect this of people I don't know very well so usually I don't catch it because I'm kind of tense. With people I know better, it's quite easy. It's just tone of voice,or the absurdity of the question or it being out of character.
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by SilentScream View Post
    Here's how I judge when someone's playing a devil's advocate and isn't really interested in the discussion, but rather enjoying "playing" with the people.

    Leading questions --- Usually answering questions with questions designed to poke and prod at the person's mind in an effort to gauge the person's stance before actually revealing their own point of view

    Tone of voice --- semi-curious, either very confident, or slightly tentative, also slight hints of sarcasm designed to provoke some sort of emotional response in order to cloud the other person's rationality

    Posture --- Overly calm, unemotional which shows dispassion about the subject. Leaning back, or forward - the gaze is either too piercing or almost distracted. Sometimes busy playing with something. Not really using hand gestures a lot. Not very fidgety and usually very controlled body language

    Facial expressions -- Smirks slightly at responses that the devil's advocate can easily counter. A gleam in the eye that one gets when they've "cornered" someone. A wry smile when the other person starts getting emotional.

    Verbalization of arguments --- rarely able to hold a consistent view-point, jumping from argument to argument, usually contradicting self, and ignoring call outs of inconsistent thought. Arguments laced with subtle personal attacks. Almost always has absolutist statements. Tries to go in for the kill slowly. Most often doesn't reveal their own stand and able to switch from one side to the other depending on what view point the opponent is taking.

    So .. how do you read when you're being "played" in an argument?
    Are INFJ frequently the devil's advocate?

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    ENTP - The Visionaries


    Quote Originally Posted by Frenetic Tranquility View Post
    Are INFJ frequently the devil's advocate?
    Haha ... use the cues I posted here on the INFJ's you come across [if they really are INFJ's] -- u'll know.

    Yes, I play the devil's advocate sometimes as well. However, the way I do it is usually in good humour followed by pleasantries and stop well before things get out of control.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I can talk like and/or act like the opposite of whatever you are saying. I have come to the realization recently that I am the devil's advocate of the people I know. I don't know if its me being an INFJ, but my interactions are all based on the underlying motivation to counter the person's thoughts about me. I am nice, when they think I am going to be cruel, smart when they think I'm dumb, dumb when they think I'm smart, etc. It poses a significant barrier to getting to know people when you are subtly breaking their preconceived notions.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosslyn View Post
    Lol. I love playing Devils Advocate. Usually when people become overemotional (because they think I'm arguing against them), it gets annoying because I just want them to consider the other side.

    Anyone who tries this on me will usually be disappointed. I can tell when someones doing this fairly easily.
    Its always exhausting when someone tries this with me, because I usually have explored many viewpoints and have to knock them down one by one in good humour usually. Sometimes they play it well and show me something I have overlooked.
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by SilentScream View Post
    Haha ... use the cues I posted here on the INFJ's you come across [if they really are INFJ's] -- u'll know.

    Yes, I play the devil's advocate sometimes as well. However, the way I do it is usually in good humour followed by pleasantries and stop well before things get out of control.
    Yes of course!
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