[Dalien]

Why not look at Kiersey Temperament Sorter and the Big 5 too. Maybe, these will shed some light, as well.

[Lost in Oblivion]

(Ni) Temporal Intuition: Premonition, prediction, ability to perceive dynamics of development, poetics, mystic sense

Hm, to be honest, I'm not sure if I'm quite pleased with this definition. I think we should address the roots instead of the byproducts of introverted iNtuition. Introverted iNtuition works very much like other Xi functions, in which it is a memory storehouse of all things relevant to X. This tends to be, for Ni, abstractive memory.

If Ne can see possibilities of an object, then Ni stores those possibilities in memory, and will work through it using other J functions. While Ne is good at examining external patterns, Ni predicts these pattern through abstractive memory. It's supported with Se which makes all possibilities in Ni-memory completely contextual. Ne+Si is more, "all ideas may be possibly true/but I have ruled out that only X and Y are true."

Ni also sees how information reacts with one another. Instead of going through a trial-and-error - much how I think Si-users approach things - it is instead played out in the mind. It will smash information together to create an idea of how things interact.
For example, if an Si- and an Ni-user were asked, disregarding other functions, "What is a Siberian death camp like?" Si might say, "I don't know," because there is no real sensory experience to relate it to. However, Ni might think, "What is related to a Siberian death camp like? A prison. What is a prison like?" then smash that information with, "What is Siberia like? What are the people like?" and then form an idea of what it may be like. Since the information collected generally has similarities and actual connections (a prison is like a death camp, but different in its own aspects), it can make a rather accurate prediction. However, it can smash completely unrelated information together and come up with some wacky conspiracy.

The reason why it's so had to expound on Ni is because it's instinctive. I noticed this when I started learning German. Instead of providing people a direct definition in translation, I try to "sum it up." I say, "well, it's like saying..." instead of making it definitive. The non-definitiveness of Ni causes it to have this very intangible feel to it, because really, it's best understood by the owner.

I feel like I kind of got off-track somewhere. Maybe this wasn't necessary. I think I was set off by the whole "mystic" and such description of Ni. I don't find it all that mysterious, how it works, but it's definitely hard to say what I'm thinking at times. Ah well. Maybe this helps someone.

[PlushWitch]

@PlushWitch,


THAT's interesting with what you said about your Fe being more developed. Around the same time I was questioning my type I began to think that perhaps Ni was also more developed than usual but never felt introverted enough because how I've aligned myself with the world since I was a child.

When I narrowed it down to INTJ or ENTJ, I was focusing on Ni and Fi. COULD the auxiliary's strength be an affect of being a type 6? ** just remembered about my poll lol**

Hmmmm... interesting question. I was thinking that I personally come across as more Fe than I really am because 6w7 is such a crazy and chaotic type that it just looks like it if you've got Fe anyway (though I can also come across as Ti dom in some cases. xD).
If you also were a 6w7, I'd say no. But I could very well imagine that a 6w5 Enneagram type could look like enhanced Ni if you have it anyway. hmmm... HA! interesting... lol

[Jawz]

@PlushWitch,


THAT's interesting with what you said about your Fe being more developed. Around the same time I was questioning my type I began to think that perhaps Ni was also more developed than usual but never felt introverted enough because how I've aligned myself with the world since I was a child.

When I narrowed it down to INTJ or ENTJ, I was focusing on Ni and Fi. COULD the auxiliary's strength be an affect of being a type 6? ** just remembered about my poll lol**

All I know is that us Type 6's are pretty damn 6y when we have all these self-doubts and then come out of them feeling oh so powerful afterwards :p

[Mynameisnick]

Maybe cuz I don't relate to either the descriptions, or the people, or other ISFJ's that I know IRL at all. Not even in the least bit.

In fact, if you really want be to be serious about Si - then I have to tell you that I actually tried to quantify how "much" I relate to descriptions and found that based on all my research, ISFJ/ESFJ/ESTJ/ISTJ descriptions are the least likely possibilities of my potential type.

This is actualy an exampe of why I think you are Si dom. You are comparing yourself to tangible real world examples instead of talking about the cognitive functions and what the cognitive functions really mean.

Taken from a thread I started in the ISFJ forum...

By @Stephen

Based on Jung's description, rather than collecting the data of experiences, Si
collects the subjective background information of those experiences. Of course,
since we're all human and imperfect, perceiving the world through our own set of
filters, everything is subjective. Nobody's really getting the objective truth,
so there is effectively no such thing. I think of it this way: When I'm pulling
something from my memory and comparing it to the present in order to make a
judgment on it, I'm looking deep into the context of that memory, not at what
others might consider the raw information.

I dunno that sounds like it could be mistake for Ni or it could be like on the same spectrum of Ni.... sorta like what @Arclight was describing with his pole and circle talk.


Oh, and I got the humour in your post about Ni and emotions affecting logic thing, but I responded the way I did because I had a feeling the complete lack of entertaining the idea of being Si was due to emotional contamination. I wasn't going to say anything about it but you brought it up so.... ;)

[Jawz]

This is actualy an exampe of why I think you are Si dom. You are comparing yourself to tangible real world examples instead of talking about the cognitive functions and what the cognitive functions really mean.

Taken from a thread I started in the ISFJ forum...

Based on Jung's description, rather than collecting the data of experiences, Si
collects the subjective background information of those experiences. Of course,
since we're all human and imperfect, perceiving the world through our own set of
filters, everything is subjective. Nobody's really getting the objective truth,
so there is effectively no such thing. I think of it this way: When I'm pulling
something from my memory and comparing it to the present in order to make a
judgment on it, I'm looking deep into the context of that memory, not at what
others might consider the raw information.

I can't relate. But can you relate to all that I've expressed in this thread and tell me if any of that sounds like Si.

ENFJ's, how do you use your Ni?

I hope I can sort of shed light through what my experience with intuition is.

Let's leave aside cognitive functions for a bit --- because honestly, despite whatever my knowledge about them is, it's never complete because the more I read about them, the more I get confused as there's an endless stream of cognitive function knowledge out there.

I have tried in the past to listen to others talking about functions and trying to make it sound like some sort of biblical divine code of breaking down individuals and their behaviour [tried to do it myself, but now I'm at a point where I've realized that I might be incapable of fully understanding it]

I'll share my experience with intuition .... (but remember that imo no function can be used independently of another no matter what people try to suggest. They're all inter-connected and my belief is that they cannot be developed independently)

- I always *know* whether something might be troubling someone in their lives even if they haven't told me anything specific about it, or if I haven't even noticed anything to suggest that they might be troubled.

- When I look at people, I make up stories about their lives. Everyone is capable of doing that -- it's just that I'm usually a little more accurate in my predictions

- When I'm introverted and not thinking about people, I get very focused input on a particular idea and I can trace it both backwards and forwards. However, the over-arching feeling is always "I just know - but I can't explain it". I just know what it would take to be successful at something, or fail at it. I just know what path is a good path and what path is a bad path because I can map out all the possible directions each of my choices will take and what kinds of choices I'll be presented with.

- It's the same when I think of other people
- It's the same when I think of society by and large.

- Therefore, I'm always intuitive regardless of the "scale" of my thought. It can range from being able to predict how my niece's life might develop if her circumstances aren't changed --- to how order through chaos may be achieved and what it would take to achieve it -- and even then realize that order through chaos is not a completed end - being able to see beyond that.

- I'm much more focused on the ends rather than the means - therefore I make choices and adapt accordingly. Whatever happens in between to throw me off my chosen path is usually discarded till I'm met with complete failure and *then* I question the means. For me, the possibilities that exist within my drive to reach my end are discarded as distractions. What I'm trying to say is that I'm not easily distracted, nor do I run after every little opportunity for small bits of happiness -- but rather continue to strive for long-term.

- My experience with other people with regards to my intuition is that people either completely reject what I say. It's usually the younger, more flexible minds that usually listen to me more readily than minds that are already set in their convictions. However, my point of focus is always singular and consistent. In debates, that's the most important thing being described about me -- and that is I don't readily change my stance and am fairly consistent.

- As for predicting people's moods --- I can predict, without even having any prior interaction with someone what their mood will become if I say something --- If I say ABCD to person A, I know he'll react differently than if I said it to person B --- it's just that it's kinda intuitive without having any interactions with that person. I dunno what it is -- body language? Clothes? -- Nah .. I can't relate it to anything at all ....

That said ...

For me, Fe-dom is basically ensuring that an understanding of humanity at all levels exists in our own mind before we choose to interact with people. It's a preference for doing good deeds and becoming service oriented individuals. We become happy when others are happy. We take energy from positive interaction and lose energy in negative situations - It's not simply attention-seeking behaviour - or having scores of acquaintances and no close bonds.

Yes, I do have 1000's of people in my phone book ... but at a time I'm inclined to bond with 1 or 2 people and then ensure that that bond is mutual and understanding. Throughout my life, at most I've 2 best friends at a time ... maximum 3 ... the rest are acquaintances that I can call on from time to time just to check up on how they're doing.

An ENFJ's greatest weakness is not their selfish behaviour --- but the fact that when we feel incapable of NOT helping someone else, it creates a conflict in our minds as to how to help. But again, we're not irrational and we're able to see who needs help and who doesn't. Don't think of ENFJ's are knights in shining armour running blindly into the heat of battle looking to save fair maidens. ENFJ's are human tacticians, constantly thinking and understanding human behaviour.

Our sensory input is expressions, eye movements, hand gestures, sitting postures - and any sign of trouble can be gauged simply by looking at people. Then it's a simple matter of discovering what the issue is - and allowing the other person to themselves verbalize their own conflict - rather than shoving our opinions / judgments down their throats.

Armed with all this information about people lets us know exactly what to do, or say, or when to say and when to act. I'm sorry if I'm not really expressing myself clearly. What I'm try to say is that we just *know* when another person is not feeling good. But at the same time we also *know* when it would be appropriate to interfere or not. We usually look for cues that the person really requires help or not. We don't push it down their throats.

For me, I just simply stand around looking for people who would be interested in me. I rarely storm into a social situation all sparkly and full of energy. I draw energy from close, intimate interaction. It's just that when I get going, I get extremely excited extremely easily, and my tone of voice combined with knowledge is such that the entire feels compelled to listen. I also get a little shy when I realize that I'm getting *too* much attention. I blush when someone pays me a compliment. And I falter over my own words every now and then.

I'm at my best when I'm helping someone. It could be something as simple as moving - to something as complex as coaxing a cross dressing friend to finally don her skirt and step out in public and just be herself. Our giving comes with self-sacrifice [which is not always a good thing]. Once I was ill in bed with a high fever, but I got a call from a female acquaintance who had run out of fuel in her car [typical damsel in distress behaviour] ... but I could not help myself. I got up, changed, got in my car and helped her get gas so that she could be on her way. That's just one example of how Fe dom behaviour manifests itself.

I have 100's of examples of similar actions I've taken all my life .. not saying that I'm a freaking saint ... it's just that this is how I'm wired and I can't help it. That's what it really means to be Fe-dom ... give and finding happiness in just giving - without expecting anything in return.

People who seem manipulative, controlling, argumentative etc are basically unhealthy versions of Fe users -

[Mynameisnick]

I can't relate. But can you relate to all that I've expressed in this thread and tell me if any of that sounds like Si.

ENFJ's, how do you use your Ni?

I don't relate to the way you write so much! haha. I think you are selling Si doms short and are working too much off of preconceived notions. I have a ISFJ friend who is like 99% accurate guessing the sex of babies. Kinda a strange thing for a sensor to do you would think... Here is another exert from that thread...

By @asmit127

Personalitypage is right that it seems intuitive, but it's not. This was part of why I had to be an N when trying to type myself - I do seem to pull "facts" out of nowhere, but they aren't facts, they are stored perceptions with an F twist. I think you captured the difference between an N's inner world and an S's by saying ours is "not very far from possible reality" compared to the world of dragons and fairys some Ns get lost in. When I catch myself daydreaming my dreams almost always involve real people I've met and places I've been. They really aren't exciting. The only suggestion that it's a vision of harmonious living is that there are never any arguments.

On a sidenote even my real (sleeping) dreams are usually very realistic to the point that I've looked crazy while trying to prove I did something at work that apparently never happened - it can only have been a dream.

Everything I've ever read from you is about tangible real world stuff I've never heard you talk about that crazy daydream you had about fighting off a dragon while riding your unicycle. Not that I think you need to do that to be a Ni dom but what I'm saying everything about you seems real world practical. How is she feeling, how am I feeling, if you say this how will she react, that is too judgmental he might get insulted by it you should be more sensitive, I don't discern the real world from the forum, to me this is the real world... etc.

You can post as much as you like about how you use Ni etc. but it's tainted because you spend so much time reading up on it that it's become a part of how you view yourself. Being an NF is apart of your perception of yourself.

That's how I see it. I could be wrong. My head hurts. Too much thinking. arrrgggg.

[Jawz]

That's how I see it. I could be wrong. My head hurts. Too much thinking. arrrgggg.

Read more of my posts. You've got about 6020+ to work with. I've made several on the subjects that you seem to accuse me of not making posts about. Also, read my poetry, my blogs, threads about my visual/emotional landscape etc etc etc. There's tons to work with ... not just what you've seen.

[Mynameisnick]

Read more of my posts. You've got about 6020+ to work with. I've made several on the subjects that you seem to accuse me of not making posts about. Also, read my poetry, my blogs, threads about my visual/emotional landscape etc etc etc. There's tons to work with ... not just what you've seen.

Okay,

I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm saying I haven't seen it and I don't feel it. I'm not going to research you.

like I said I could be wrong. You know who you are.

[Jawz]

like I said I could be wrong. You know who you are.

Actually, if I did, I wouldn't be posting in this thread. I may not know who I am, but I do know who I am not.