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    How do INFJs use Ti?

    Hi
    I've been trying to work this out all day on the cognitive functions thread. I feel like I might have a well developed Ti because I focus a little more than some INFJs on what I deem to be logical or what I think makes sense and I tend to theorise objectively when I'm talking about anything but people. All my feeling side goes toward people. I'm still intuitive when I look at theory (and I like theories of people rather than science etc) but I tend to value rationality, impersonality when looking at theory. Perhaps this is because I tend to understand things by making them external - I think. If anything appears to be part of me, or internal, I can't work it out!

    And this, I think, is why I can't isolate Ti. If anybody is a cognitive functions genius, please could you give an explanation of Ti that is specific to INFJs? I'm working myself up about it

    Also, for anyone who knows, would you be able to comment on whether I am right in saying I have a strong Ti? Is this the function that pushes me toward academia and a "no nonsense" approach to life and a dislike of the spiritual/mystical. To be fair, my INFJ friend does this as well. Sometimes when I'm here I feel like there are a lot of INFJs that are quite different to me, although there are many that I feel are like me as well. Do you think this has to do with the strength of certain functions? Which function is more likely to make you enjoy mysticism and which function is more likely to make you rule mystical ideas out? I assumed the second was Ti.

    Ooo, another point: Could it be cultural? Just a thought. How many people here are from the UK? Me and my friend tend to be very embarrassed to discuss emotional or spiritual matters without putting them in a rational context. She is religious and helps out a lot in church but she does theology and dislikes the idea of "healers". She sees the bible as an interpretive text and looks at it in the light of historical and cultural changes. Of course she still has faith, which she might be embarrassed to discuss around me because I have never been religious, but she seems, like me, to take an almost scientific approach to life. However, we're DEFINITELY not Ts. (Although I was surprised to find out I wasn't!)

    Sorry that this was so long. I'm confused. Anyone know a lot about the functions?
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by ukinfj View Post
    Hi
    I've been trying to work this out all day on the cognitive functions thread. I feel like I might have a well developed Ti because I focus a little more than some INFJs on what I deem to be logical or what I think makes sense and I tend to theorise objectively when I'm talking about anything but people. All my feeling side goes toward people. I'm still intuitive when I look at theory (and I like theories of people rather than science etc) but I tend to value rationality, impersonality when looking at theory. Perhaps this is because I tend to understand things by making them external - I think. If anything appears to be part of me, or internal, I can't work it out!

    And this, I think, is why I can't isolate Ti. If anybody is a cognitive functions genius, please could you give an explanation of Ti that is specific to INFJs? I'm working myself up about it

    Also, for anyone who knows, would you be able to comment on whether I am right in saying I have a strong Ti? Is this the function that pushes me toward academia and a "no nonsense" approach to life and a dislike of the spiritual/mystical. To be fair, my INFJ friend does this as well. Sometimes when I'm here I feel like there are a lot of INFJs that are quite different to me, although there are many that I feel are like me as well. Do you think this has to do with the strength of certain functions? Which function is more likely to make you enjoy mysticism and which function is more likely to make you rule mystical ideas out? I assumed the second was Ti.

    Ooo, another point: Could it be cultural? Just a thought. How many people here are from the UK? Me and my friend tend to be very embarrassed to discuss emotional or spiritual matters without putting them in a rational context. She is religious and helps out a lot in church but she does theology and dislikes the idea of "healers". She sees the bible as an interpretive text and looks at it in the light of historical and cultural changes. Of course she still has faith, which she might be embarrassed to discuss around me because I have never been religious, but she seems, like me, to take an almost scientific approach to life. However, we're DEFINITELY not Ts. (Although I was surprised to find out I wasn't!)

    Sorry that this was so long. I'm confused. Anyone know a lot about the functions?
    Ni-Fe, to me, is the drive to understand systems of ethical thought and interaction.

    Fe seeks to establish rules for "goodness and badness" that fit everyone. Which is hard, because generally, everyone has different views as to what "good and bad" are. Fe tries to ignore this, and create ethics which fit everyone.

    Ti, on the other hand is quite different in it's approach to logic. While Fe seeks to make ethical mantras which cover the whole world, Ti, is a form of logic which is dedicated to finding counter-examples and holes in Te-logic to fit every little example. Te, like Fe, tries to find logical statements which govern the world, but Ti, like Fi, likes to show how smaller examples prove these over-arching laws to be faulty.

    Fe says "It is bad for all people to do X", while Fi will object, saying "But in this special occasion it's not bad to do X!"
    Te says "For all values of X, this is true", while Ti will object, saying "But for this value of X, the opposite is true!"

    These differences is part of what makes INTJs so fascinating to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Btmangan View Post
    Ni-Fe, to me, is the drive to understand systems of ethical thought and interaction.

    Fe seeks to establish rules for "goodness and badness" that fit everyone. Which is hard, because generally, everyone has different views as to what "good and bad" are. Fe tries to ignore this, and create ethics which fit everyone.

    Ti, on the other hand is quite different in it's approach to logic. While Fe seeks to make ethical mantras which cover the whole world, Ti, is a form of logic which is dedicated to finding counter-examples and holes in Te-logic to fit every little example. Te, like Fe, tries to find logical statements which govern the world, but Ti, like Fi, likes to show how smaller examples prove these over-arching laws to be faulty.

    Fe says "It is bad for all people to do X", while Fi will object, saying "But in this special occasion it's not bad to do X!"
    Te says "For all values of X, this is true", while Ti will object, saying "But for this value of X, the opposite is true!"

    These differences is part of what makes INTJs so fascinating to me.
    This is very fascinating! Thank you! :)

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    INFJ - The Protectors


    Quote Originally Posted by ukinfj View Post
    ... I tend to theorise objectively when I'm talking about anything but people. All my feeling side goes toward people. I'm still intuitive when I look at theory (and I like theories of people rather than science etc) but I tend to value rationality, impersonality when looking at theory.
    That's exactly it - impersonal analysis. Ti subtracts your own sentiments out of equation, or system, or whatever theory you're thinking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by ukinfj View Post
    And this, I think, is why I can't isolate Ti. If anybody is a cognitive functions genius, please could you give an explanation of Ti that is specific to INFJs? I'm working myself up about it
    a sort of categorizing and structuring of information done in impersonal manner ... unlike dominant Ti of IxTPs, the tertiary Ti of INFJs builds rather broad categories, thus INFJs can have more trouble with performing very structured detailed analyses.

    Quote Originally Posted by ukinfj View Post
    Also, for anyone who knows, would you be able to comment on whether I am right in saying I have a strong Ti?
    Don't know you, so can't comment anything. Stronger Ti in INFJs usually leads to greater introversion, less emotional and more detached approach, more critical attitude that can be perceived as rude or aggressive. INFJs who are high on Ti can have same problems as NTs in social sphere.

    Quote Originally Posted by ukinfj View Post
    Is this the function that pushes me toward academia and a "no nonsense" approach to life and a dislike of the spiritual/mystical.
    No. You'll find some INTPs and INTJs who believe in things spiritual and mystic, though their T functions are higher order than tertiary Ti of INFJs.

    Quote Originally Posted by ukinfj View Post
    To be fair, my INFJ friend does this as well. Sometimes when I'm here I feel like there are a lot of INFJs that are quite different to me, although there are many that I feel are like me as well. Do you think this has to do with the strength of certain functions?
    MBTI typology is really very broad (it is attempting to sort 6 billion human beings into 16 categories). So there is a lot of diversity within the type. If you read biographies of famous people of each type you will find they had some vastly different lives.

    MBTI cannot describe your personality fully.

    Quote Originally Posted by ukinfj View Post
    Which function is more likely to make you enjoy mysticism and which function is more likely to make you rule mystical ideas out? I assumed the second was Ti.
    I don't think this is function specific. High introversion can lead the person to lose touch with environment and dwell more in one's own head. This can lead to more subjective attitudes and approach to life and may be belief in things that have no empirical basis.

    There is more information about functions in my signature if you want to read about them.

    Quote Originally Posted by ukinfj View Post
    Ooo, another point: Could it be cultural? Just a thought. How many people here are from the UK? Me and my friend tend to be very embarrassed to discuss emotional or spiritual matters without putting them in a rational context. She is religious and helps out a lot in church but she does theology and dislikes the idea of "healers".
    Religion/spirituality/religious tradition are not very popular nowadays among young people that have been educated in western countries, so yeah, it might be cultural and also generation thing.
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    @vel @Dalien Absolutely brilliant, thank you! Think I'd equated Ti and logic but it's a little bit different from that. Ti is a type of logic.

    One more question. Presumably Ti does not only work when you're looking at an academic problem does it? It must work in all areas of life. It's quite easy to imagine how Ti works with Ni, because these functions seem in my mind to go into the same category (I'm trying not to but I have basically split the MBTI into how we deal with logic/how we deal with people) but presumably we use all of our functions in every situation do we? I mean, it's not like we specifically use Ti/Ni when we're asked to write an essay and Ni/Fe when we're talking to people is it? Or is it?!

    You said that strong Ti users can have similar problems to NTs in social situations (would this suggest social awkwardness or actually finding it difficult to know what's appropriate?). So this means Ti affects Fe? Or not? And what is Ti actually doing to Fe?

    Thanks for the links, I've had a glance through TeFi and TiFe and will read through them all when I get a chance.

    Thanks, great explanations here.

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    INFJ - The Protectors


    Quote Originally Posted by ukinfj View Post
    Presumably Ti does not only work when you're looking at an academic problem does it? It must work in all areas of life. It's quite easy to imagine how Ti works with Ni, because these functions seem in my mind to go into the same category (I'm trying not to but I have basically split the MBTI into how we deal with logic/how we deal with people) but presumably we use all of our functions in every situation do we? I mean, it's not like we specifically use Ti/Ni when we're asked to write an essay and Ni/Fe when we're talking to people is it? Or is it?!
    Yeah it's a persistent outlook on life. It doesn't apply only to schoolwork. (btw problems you have to do in school are typically designed to be practice for problems you'd have to resolve in real life).

    Ti does not represent ability to reason, ability to think or use logic. It only represents how much value you give to the human element in your thinking. Imagine that your reasoning is like an equation. Cognitive functions would then be like values that you plug into this equation. Since values are different then the final solution will be different too. Hence the differences in resulting behavior and decisions that can be observed between types.

    A lot of people though confuse functions for the equation itself. Then you get all these wrong stereotypes like F-types aren't in tune with their thoughts or are incapable of logic, or that thinkers are these cold calculating robots incapable of love or feelings in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by ukinfj View Post
    You said that strong Ti users can have similar problems to NTs in social situations (would this suggest social awkwardness or actually finding it difficult to know what's appropriate?). So this means Ti affects Fe? Or not? And what is Ti actually doing to Fe?
    Ti and Fe are opposite ends of the same dichotomy so yeah they are essentially inseparable. You can think about it like there exists some decision making function in your mind and whenever you have to make a decision it will reference the Ti-Fe scale and your decision will fall somewhere along that scale. Sometimes closer to Fe, in other situations closer to Ti.

    Ti is subjective attitude that prompts you to act how it makes sense to yourself based on your own values or principles. Fe is objective attitude that calls you to adapt to values of other people. So a person often using Ti may disregard emotional cues coming from other people. This then results in various faux pas. Alternatively an individual who is always adapting to values of others (using too much Fe and not enough Ti) might be easily taken advantage of and fail to attend to own interests.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    @uninfj
    @vel Would you tell me what your thoughts are on the below post?

    I'm going to throw a thought of mine out there that I have used to understand how I write my poetry. I know I've written this in different threads before. I think it can be used to understand INFJs function across the board in a loose general way. Here goes:

    Personally, my abstract thinking is stronger than concrete thinking. I can use them separately. When I use them together, they are very strong. Hence, I write poetry. On one hand, I use abstract through out the entire poem by: using imagery~I gave a chair life; using metaphors, similies, etc.; painting a picture~not telling what it looked like but showing what it looked like; I could go on, but that is the jist of it. On the other hand, I have to use concrete thinking in order to make the poem have a form (count, type of poem, etc.), understanding the subject/focus, choosing words that fit, making it make sense. With all this said, yes, I'm saying that Ti is concrete thinking and Fe is abstract thinking. This theory of mine simplifies those two functions for me. I'm a complicated person, so I tend to simplify everything that I can. I have a very busy brain.
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    If it helps, I really don't think that a lot of posters on any type forum (here, typologycentral, *****************, or whatever) that claim to be INFJ are actually INFJ.

    ISFJ and INFP very commonly test as INFJ, not learn much about what it really means and slap an INFJ label across their foreheads. ISFJ especially, because we both (INFJ and ISFJ) keep our introverted perceptive function mainly to ourselves. Also, about 20% of women are ISFJ's and 1-2% are INFJ's.

    On another note, thanks for this post. I have to say that everything that you've written, I pretty much agree with and REALLY relate to. As if you were inside my head. @.@ (Especially the parts where you mention that life is "no nonsense" and your distaste for mysticism. I feel that INFJ's get unfairly lumped into the "romanticizing dreamer" category because we're 'NFs', when I think of my thoughts are quite objective, nit-picky, cold, and striving for logical perfection.)
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    I don't know why it starred out the name of another personality type forum, but okay, PerC. I won't ever say it again! o.o

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    My parents both use Ti (ESTP and ISFJ), and I was trained from a young age to think critically. This lead to my typing as an INTP for several years before I took a better look at myself.

    I use my Ti mainly when I write. I'll edit everything many times until I find it acceptable, and I'm BRUTAL when I edit others' work. I also often jump to correct people when they say the "wrong" word, or help someone find the word they're looking for if they're fumbling. Picking apart ideas and finding potential weak spots in theories and scientific studies comes naturally to me, as well. I think this is all Ti, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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