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This is a discussion on For the INFJs that think their in this Ni-Ti loop. within the INFJ Forum - The Protectors forums, part of the NF's Temperament Forum- The Dreamers category; This is what it is just in case you don't know. ISTP/INFJ: Ti/Ni or Ni/Ti--Schizoid Personality Disorder . These types ...

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    For the INFJs that think their in this Ni-Ti loop.

    This is what it is just in case you don't know.

    ISTP/INFJ: Ti/Ni or Ni/Ti--Schizoid Personality Disorder. These types are socially incompetent for lack of trying, because they see little to no value in significant interaction with others. They live in their own abstract worlds, constantly second-guessing themselves as Ti poses a framework for a problem and Ni shoots it down as too definitionally precise. Without any real external input, these two functions will dream up all sorts of elaborate systems and implications for them, only to repeat their own self-defeating behavior, never bothering to emphasize putting any of its intense ideas into practice. Frequent disregard for rules, laws and other forms of behavioral standards is common, as no function provides any significant sense of external influence. If Se/Fe were doing its job, the user would recognize the value of connecting with others and of paying attention to their needs, preferences, habits and appearances.


    If there are any of you out there, then please tell me your experiences in life.

    What do you think made you in this nasty loop? (Ex. growing up I was told to be more masculine and less open with my feelings.)

    How does your Fe appear in this loop?

    Can you relate to the INFJ description regardless of being in this loop?

    How are you in social situations?

    What are your career goals?

    What are your interest?

    Oh tell me what kind of things you think about. (Perhaps contradictions in your thoughts?)
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Do you not see the value in connecting with others or does anxiety prevent you from seeking a connection with others?

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbleboy View Post
    Do you not see the value in connecting with others or does anxiety prevent you from seeking a connection with others?
    Well according to my other post they say that it sounds like a social anxiety...so idk. I see the point logically. How about you?

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I have a lot of anxiety problems but I'm on medication and it helps a lot. I can spend a day or two in my room alone but eventually I need communication because I drive myself crazy lol. If you think you have anxiety practice makes perfect. There's a psychology thing for phobias called systematic desensitization. It's pretty self-applicable. Just start putting yourself in easy social situations and working your way up to more difficult ones that hike up your anxiety. And I think being around people helps intuition. It's nice to experience other opinions and philosophies. You can integrate what makes sense to you into your own big picture. Also...I have a nice little collection of self help books because I had a lot of trouble a couple years ago with anxiety and depression. I learned a lot from them. And I'm still sort of a paranoid person...I'm just not that shy about it anymore lol. I've gotten a lot more social by forcing myself into situations despite feeling uncomfortable. I feel a little self-conscious that I might appear like a know it all so I apologize if it seems that way =(
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphorically_Heartless View Post
    If there are any of you out there, then please tell me your experiences in life.
    What do you think made you in this nasty loop? (Ex. growing up I was told to be more masculine and less open with my feelings.)
    Growing up in an emotionally destructive and draining environment.

    How does your Fe appear in this loop?
    I'm not sure. I guess it creeps up on me since I don't utilize it?

    Can you relate to the INFJ description regardless of being in this loop?
    Yes (: Whenever I'm in a Ni-Ti loop and I'm rethinking my functions/type I understand that it isn't my healthiest state so it isn't realistic.

    How are you in social situations?
    I use Fe more socially. I've always been able to differentiate and just Ni-Ti at home by myself.

    What are your career goals?
    I'd like to be a psychiatrist but I have a lot interests so I'm not completely sure.

    What are your interests?
    Human behavior, Universe/Physics, Music, Beauty, Videos/Documentaries/Movies, Korean Culture, Conspiracy theories and more.

    Oh tell me what kind of things you think about. (Perhaps contradictions in your thoughts?)
    Lately it's social dynamics, the consumerism paradigm and politics.
    Talking about/expaining my thoughts makes me want to Darth Vader choke the world. I find the lack of logic disturbing.
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    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbleboy View Post
    If you think you have anxiety practice makes perfect. There's a psychology thing for phobias called systematic desensitization. It's pretty self-applicable. Just start putting yourself in easy social situations and working your way up to more difficult ones that hike up your anxiety.
    In the UK, this tends to be called graded exposure. And it not only helps, in my case it was a total cure - for social phobia and agoraphobia in my case.

    If anyone is social phobic and wants to get better. I STRONGLY recommend this. I used to get nervous going into shops in case the cashier talked to me, but it took just over a year to get out of the phobia. I'm still shy but i'm not phobic. Everybody go do!

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphorically_Heartless View Post
    This is what it is just in case you don't know.

    ISTP/INFJ: Ti/Ni or Ni/Ti--Schizoid Personality Disorder. These types are socially incompetent for lack of trying, because they see little to no value in significant interaction with others. They live in their own abstract worlds, constantly second-guessing themselves as Ti poses a framework for a problem and Ni shoots it down as too definitionally precise. Without any real external input, these two functions will dream up all sorts of elaborate systems and implications for them, only to repeat their own self-defeating behavior, never bothering to emphasize putting any of its intense ideas into practice. Frequent disregard for rules, laws and other forms of behavioral standards is common, as no function provides any significant sense of external influence. If Se/Fe were doing its job, the user would recognize the value of connecting with others and of paying attention to their needs, preferences, habits and appearances.
    While i do indeed not feel the need to socialize, i am not socially incompetent.
    If there are any of you out there, then please tell me your experiences in life.

    What do you think made you in this nasty loop? (Ex. growing up I was told to be more masculine and less open with my feelings.)
    Prolonged circumstancial hermitage, and developing of a strong ideal of being this.

    How does your Fe appear in this loop?
    By making me feel crap for starving it of use.

    Can you relate to the INFJ description regardless of being in this loop?
    Yes. This is what i used to be like, and what my psyche yearns to be once again, at a fundamental, not necessarily conscious level.

    How are you in social situations?
    When not with my 'inner circle', i don't socialize. I just sit by myself. When with my inner circle, my Fe reacts by gorging itself on the human relation it's been starved of.

    What are your career goals?
    I don't really have any. Just to have a well paying job, that i don't mind doing.

    What are your interest?
    Internet, Movies, Introspection, Analytical Psychology, Christian Apologetics, Christian Theology

    Oh tell me what kind of things you think about. (Perhaps contradictions in your thoughts?)
    Apart from the things listed just above: Myself, and a few certain problems i have. (with the INFJ order of functions (Ni>Fe), i'm naturally people-oriented. With no other people to focus on, i focus on the only person present: myself. This is also logically induced by lack of Fe usage)

    I should say, that at this moment in time, i am circumstantially getting more social interaction, and i'm feeling a bit better. Not fully out of the loop as yet, however.

    Flippin eh, though. "Schizoid Personality Disorder"...
    I don't like the sound of that, but it does describe me fairly well... :|
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    Unknown Personality

    See, the thing I don't get about this loop thing is that its compared to a personality disorder and, although I recognise some of these traits in myself at various points in my life and people here can also, obviously nobody here has a personality disorder. Or it doesn't seem so anyway. You know when you've met someone with a personality disorder because their personality is exceptionally extreme or they are missing the ability to experience a vital emotion, such as guilt. I mean, when we're talking about personality disorders we're talking about sociopaths, people with borderline personalities (very scary people - knew two of them, female, through friends - tendency to make a conscious and malicious effort to hurt others either through glassing them in the face or going to great lengths to demolish their respectability/jobs - anonymous phone calls to tip people off of some imaginary crime...etc), hermits...These are very extreme people.

    When the original poster of these descriptions first posted them, he seemed to say that he was talking about exceptional characters who appear to not fit into certain categories in the MBTI due to their over-reliance on certain functions.

    So I have a question - when we're talking about people in the loop on this forum, are we talking about people who are under stress and temporarily using their Ni-Ti, or are we talking about people who are always like this - i.e. people who have personality disorders?
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by ukinfj View Post
    When the original poster of these descriptions first posted them, he seemed to say that he was talking about exceptional characters who appear to not fit into certain categories in the MBTI due to their over-reliance on certain functions.

    So I have a question - when we're talking about people in the loop on this forum, are we talking about people who are under stress and temporarily using their Ni-Ti, or are we talking about people who are always like this - i.e. people who have personality disorders?
    You know what? I think that might actually be a *major* factor for me. I'm under constant emotional stress, all the time. It's not cause by other people or a hard life or something like that - it's caused by myself, and my own actions.
    When i'm out of my stressful environment (that is, when i am in a position (eg, a holiday) where i am able to disregard the things that stress me out), I become very, very different. (Sociable, happy, empathetic)

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    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by JigOS View Post
    You know what? I think that might actually be a *major* factor for me. I'm under constant emotional stress, all the time. It's not cause by other people or a hard life or something like that - it's caused by myself, and my own actions.
    When i'm out of my stressful environment (that is, when i am in a position (eg, a holiday) where i am able to disregard the things that stress me out), I become very, very different. (Sociable, happy, empathetic)
    I think so too. The shadow of the INFJ is supposedly the ESTP, but the Ni-Ti loop seems to be a better way, to me, to describe the shadow - or one of the shadows. When under stress, I act differently to how I might act otherwise. Often it's in this loop way, but usually I am telling myself that I am indifferent to others/don't need people/don't want more friends or whatever, rather than actually believing it. I may think I believe it temporarily, but I don't.

    Having just perused the ESTP personality profile, I don't recognise this as being what I'm like when I'm stressed. I recognise the Ni-Ti loop, though - just becoming a bit of a self-absorbed loner, purposefully shunning society.

    PS: This doesn't fit in this thread, but having read the ESTP personality profile: Someone said Sherlock Holmes was an INFJ somewhere - he's not, he fits the ESTP profile better - uses his insight for self-centred means with no regard for the law.
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