What are the decisive differences?
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What are the decisive differences?
There are exceptions, but 2s are generally more extroverted than 4s (especially 4w5s, who are more introverted than 4w3s). 2s are more likely to hide feelings of shame. And 2s generally have a more positive outlook on both themselves and the world around them than 4s do.
Focus on others
Unaware of self
Want to be rescued
Focus on self
The bullet points were confusing me as my self-assessment using those words says half-and-half. Your explanation helped though. Thanks.
2's express a desire to love and be loved, while 4's express a desire for individualality and authenticity. I mean both types in of themselves are very different, but I could see how one could confuse them given that out of all the heart triad types both are the most introverted.
This however gives a good difference between them:
Source: Enneagram InstituteTwos and Fours can be confused primarily because they are both Feeling types, and because they both put great emphasis on the ups and downs of their personal relationships. Even with these similarities, however, these two types are seldom mistaken for each other. When they are, it is usually because they are defining the types too narrowly. For instance, some Twos might mistype themselves as Fours if they have been through a depression or have recently been through the end of an important relationship. They may learn that Fours are a depressive type and deduce that since they have been depressed that they are probably Fours. In fact, all nine types can be depressed: feeling sad or alienated in itself is not an indication of being any particular type. Twos may also hear that Fours are romantic, and seeing themselves as romantic mistype themselves. Female Fours who have been reared in traditional or strongly religious environments may identify themselves as Twos, but this is a danger for woman of all types. Some Fours may also have been under stress for a while may similarly recognize many Two-ish behaviors.
Their differences are not difficult to recognize, however. Twos tend to move toward others and engage them, sometimes excessively. Fours tend to withdraw from others, while hoping that others will seek them out. Twos look for people to rescue, Fours look for someone to rescue them. Twos are very aware of others' feelings, but tend to be unaware of their own motivations and needs. Fours are highly attuned to their own emotional states, but can fail to recognize their impact on others, and so forth.
can 4's be just unhealthy 2's? because it sounds if they just change their mental attitute they'd resemble 2's a lot more.
Their visible demeanors are markedly different, and their false beliefs & core motivations are very different as well. Confusing them in person seems unlikley....
Fours are self-absorbed, Twos are others-absorbed. It diverges even further from there.
Yeah the Heart triad is very confusing to me and I personally think there are a lot more commonalities then differences, even if others may disagree in that. I still have yet to see how 2's and 4's could seem different especially if they have some kind of sexual or social variant to them which lightens them up, makes them more externally focused and pushes them to be more attracted to others in general. Maybe you could tell the difference in Sp types since their personal goal is to put major focus on their own individual needs before anything else. But I imagine social and sexual 2's and 4's would find a lot of common ground together. Especially since both have similar vices and strengths.