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This is a discussion on Starch Based Diets- the best diet? within the Health and Fitness forums, part of the Topics of Interest category; This guy thinks that starch based diets are the best. I personally gain more weight on starch based diets, But ...

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    Starch Based Diets- the best diet?

    This guy thinks that starch based diets are the best. I personally gain more weight on starch based diets, But whats your take

    Last edited by BarryO; 04-15-2013 at 08:43 PM.



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    He's a dumbass.

    That's my professional opinion (I'm a nutritionist).
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    Ehh, well i can't seem to loose fat at all if i have more than maybe 30% of my calories from carbs. I'd say it's different from person to person what works, but he does seem a bit extreme.

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    A starch based diet is the opposite we evolved to eat (see Paleo diet). He's probably looking for a new angle to sell a book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerShell View Post
    A starch based diet is the opposite we evolved to eat (see Paleo diet). He's probably looking for a new angle to sell a book.
    citations needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    citations needed
    Paleo Diet Recipes | Paleo Do's and Don'ts |
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerShell View Post
    I meant a scientific research presenting facts that we aren't evolved to eat a lot of starch.

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    I don't think research on actual consumption and weight gain or loss corresponds to starch being a good thing. This study from over 120,000 people over about 20 years is the most comprehensive one I've found, see below for how they show foods affecting weight gain or loss on average each year. Starchy foods like potatoes are at the top of the list for weight gain each year.

    The dietary factors with the largest positive associations with weight changes, per serving per day, were increases in the consumption of potato chips (1.69 lb), potatoes (1.28 lb), sugar-sweetened beverages (1.00 lb), unprocessed red meats (0.95 lb), and processed meats (0.93 lb). A secondary analysis of potato subtypes showed that weight changes were positively associated with increases in the consumption of french fries (3.35 lb) and of boiled, baked, or mashed potatoes (0.57 lb). Weight gain associated with increased consumption of refined grains (0.39 lb per serving per day) was similar to that for sweets and desserts (0.41 lb per serving per day). Inverse associations with weight gain, per serving per day, were seen for increased consumption of vegetables (−0.22 lb), whole grains (−0.37 lb), fruits (−0.49 lb), nuts (−0.57 lb), and yogurt (−0.82 lb).
    Full study below, also points out things affecting weight like sleeping too much or too little, exercise, watching TV, drinking, etc.
    MMS: Error
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluekitdon View Post
    I don't think research on actual consumption and weight gain or loss corresponds to starch being a good thing. This study from over 120,000 people over about 20 years is the most comprehensive one I've found, see below for how they show foods affecting weight gain or loss on average each year. Starchy foods like potatoes are at the top of the list for weight gain each year.



    Full study below, also points out things affecting weight like sleeping too much or too little, exercise, watching TV, drinking, etc.
    MMS: Error

    Well, it's understandable because starch is condensed energy. But losing and gaining weight is based on energy balance, so not necessarily what you consume but rather how much. It is probably much more difficult to base a diet on starchy foods and maintain a negative energy balance, than other grains rich in fiber. It could be viable but not by consuming processed foods. Potato chips and french fries for example are full of fat, so I don't think them being starchy is the leading factor for their high score in the research (didn't read it whole though).
    All green plants and grains are a source of starch anyway, so we kinda do base our diet on starch. The Chinese and Japanese don't have much weight problems even if their base of diet is rice. It's all about how much you eat really, when it comes to weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluekitdon View Post
    I don't think research on actual consumption and weight gain or loss corresponds to starch being a good thing. This study from over 120,000 people over about 20 years is the most comprehensive one I've found, see below for how they show foods affecting weight gain or loss on average each year. Starchy foods like potatoes are at the top of the list for weight gain each year.



    Full study below, also points out things affecting weight like sleeping too much or too little, exercise, watching TV, drinking, etc.
    MMS: Error

    The dietary factors with the largest positive associations with weight changes, per serving per day, were increases in the consumption of potato chips (1.69 lb), potatoes (1.28 lb), sugar-sweetened beverages (1.00 lb), unprocessed red meats (0.95 lb), and processed meats (0.93 lb). A secondary analysis of potato subtypes showed that weight changes were positively associated with increases in the consumption of french fries (3.35 lb) and of boiled, baked, or mashed potatoes (0.57 lb). Weight gain associated with increased consumption of refined grains (0.39 lb per serving per day) was similar to that for sweets and desserts (0.41 lb per serving per day). Inverse associations with weight gain, per serving per day, were seen for increased consumption of vegetables (−0.22 lb), whole grains (−0.37 lb), fruits (−0.49 lb), nuts (−0.57 lb), and yogurt (−0.82 lb).
    What the man in the video is talking about when he says a "starch based diet" is essentially a vegan diet. This consists of plant based WHOLE foods - foods eaten to as close as their natural state possible. No processed foods, no added oils or butters. No refined grains. No meat or dairy.

    The bolded part above has nothing to do with what he is suggesting be eaten. Potato chiips are fried in oil. So are french fries. Baked and mashed potatoes typically have butter or other dairy products added to them. Refined grains are not the whole grain starches he is talking about.

    The part in red with the inclusion of beans and legumes is what he means by "starch based with the inclusion of fruits and vegetables". As evidenced in the study you cited, people who ate this way actually LOST weight.
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