Let's Analyze Taylor Swift...

Originally Posted by umbrellasky

Okay so...For anyone that is still interested in typing her...Fe seems to be her strongest function (imo). She cares a lot about her image because she sees herself as a role model, cares a lot about her fans and feels a huge responsibility towards them.Here's another quote which I think is indicative of Fe+Si:“I've apparently been the victim of growing up, which apparently happens to all of us at one point or another. It's been going on for quite some time now, without me knowing it. I've found that growing up can mean a lot of things. For me, it doesn't mean I should become somebody completely new and stop loving the things I used to love. It means I've just added more things to my list. Like for example, I'm still beyond obsessed with the winter season and I still start putting up strings of lights in September. I still love sparkles and grocery shopping and really old cats that are only nice to you half the time. I still love writing in my journal and wearing dresses all the time and staring at chandeliers. But some new things I've fallen in love with -- mismatched everything. Mismatched chairs, mismatched colors, mismatched personalities. I love spraying perfumes I used to wear when I was in high school. It brings me back to the days of trying to get a close parking spot at school, trying to get noticed by soccer players, and trying to figure out how to avoid doing or saying anything uncool, and wishing every minute of every day that one day maybe I'd get a chance to win a Grammy. Or something crazy and out of reach like that. ;) I love old buildings with the paint chipping off the walls and my dad's stories about college. I love the freedom of living alone, but I also love things that make me feel seven again. Back then naivety was the norm and skepticism was a foreign language, and I just think every once in a while you need fries and a chocolate milkshake and your mom. I love picking up a cookbook and closing my eyes and opening it to a random page, then attempting to make that recipe. I've loved my fans from the very first day, but they've said things and done things recently that make me feel like they're my friends -- more now than ever before. I'll never go a day without thinking about our memories together.” This whole paragraph is Fe+ Si isn't it? Everything she refers to is either about people or about the past. Also, others have mentioned that Taylor didn't care what anyone else thought of her but the above says the opposite, she wanted to be liked, she wanted attention.

It is apparent that a veritable consensus had been reached here: Very clear ESFJ. Asinine to suggest otherwise.

Originally Posted by Arrow

Diana herself has said she was an INFP though.

Really, where? :s

Originally Posted by Sparky

Please give another example of ESFJ that has the same personality as Bieber, and do the same to Diana, Britney, and Taylor for each of the personality you mentioned.

If you can observe differences in personality types, you will find the people mentioned are more similar to each other than to people of any other personality.

I asked you how you typed people. I'm not giving you different examples because you obviously type people in a strange way, so i'm asking you how you type.

Originally Posted by firedell

Really, where? :s

Keirsey Temperament Website - Portrait of the Idealist® Healer (INFP): Princess Diana
INFP (Dreamer) Personality Type - Jungian

"This is me, this is me!" exclaimed Princess Diana when she was read Dr. David Keirsey's portrait of an INFP. In 1991, her masseur, Stephen Twigg, had given her a copy of "Please Understand Me" to help her understand the spiritual journey she was undertaking. Her excitement came as Stephen read the Healer Idealist (INFP) portrait, which in part says:


"Healers care deeply and passionately about a few special persons or a favorite cause, and their fervent aim is to bring peace to the world and wholeness to themselves and their loved ones. They base their self-image on being seen as empathic, benevolent, and authentic. Often enthusiastic, they trust intuition, yearn for romance, seek identity, prize recognition and aspire to the wisdom of the sage."


According to "Diana: In Pursuit of Love," a book released in the Summer of 2004 by Andrew Morton, Diana's unofficial biographer, Diana was astonished and amazed by the portrait's accuracy. At that time Diana was in the midst of dealing with her dissolving marriage to Prince Charles while at the same time beginning to recognize her "potency as an international icon," and the fulfillment she felt from helping others in great need. Taking the Keirsey Temperament Sorter confirmed what Diana had known by her intuition, that her gift was that of a Healer. She used this new-found knowledge as a foundation to what she wanted to do with herself for the rest of her short life.

Originally Posted by firedell

I asked you how you typed people. I'm not giving you different examples because you obviously type people in a strange way, so i'm asking you how you type.

It is basically matching a person with examples of other people with that personality, so how is this stranger than typing someone without the ability to identify another of the same type that has a similar personality? For example, a person confirmed to be INFJ should not be confused with someone who is actually ESTJ mistyped as INFJ (or to think the two people are both ISTJ), and the differences in personality can be found with speech and movement patterns. Does that make sense to anybody?

An example of how people with different personalities are confused to have the same type can be found at CelebrityTypes.com, where in the ISTJ section, Mitt Romney is grouped with Natalie Portman. Other "ISTJ" claimed by the website to share the same personality as those two include Hillary Clinton and Robert De Niro, even when they have different speaking styles and other indications of a different personality.

In an example of internal consistency when typing, observe the speaking styles and movement patterns of several INFJ, while taking note of their similarities:

Originally Posted by Sparky

It is basically matching a person with examples of other people with that personality, so how is this stranger than typing someone without the ability to identify another of the same type that has a similar personality? For example, a person confirmed to be INFJ should not be confused with someone who is actually ESTJ mistyped as INFJ (or to think the two people are both ISTJ), and the differences in personality can be found with speech and movement patterns. Does that make sense to anybody?

Nope, because that's not what the theory dictates, that's what you and other VI guys dictate. Visual cues are useless without solid cognitive functional justification. Like, you shouldn't say, this guy is an INTJ because he looks like this gal who've I've typed as an INTJ. You should say, I observed this particular facial tick that I think reveals that he's actually an Ni dom since whenever he does this X he says something extremely Nish. Instead you're comparing finished products instead of comparing work processes. Work processes are what this site is about. The finished product comes when everyone agrees.

An example of how people with different personalities are confused to have the same type can be found at CelebrityTypes.com, where in the ISTJ section, Mitt Romney is grouped with Natalie Portman. Other "ISTJ" claimed by the website to share the same personality as those two include Hillary Clinton and Robert De Niro, even when they have different speaking styles and other indications of a different personality.

Obviously no one has a 100% typing percentage. While I personally would type Romney as an ESTJ and Portman as an ISFJ, that doesn't make the website useless. It just means you have to take the information from them cum grano salis. It's still a good reference for the types of many people. By your criteria we all should not listen to you because you've typed Sarah Palin and Taylor Swift as non-ESFJs, in fact types differing from each other, when they are actually the same type, ESFJ. That wouldn't be truly fair. Not everyone is perfect.

Originally Posted by WSidis

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Nope, because that's not what the theory dictates, that's what you and other VI guys dictate. Visual cues are useless without solid cognitive functional justification. Like, you shouldn't say, this guy is an INTJ because he looks like this gal who've I've typed as an INTJ. You should say, I observed this particular facial tick that I think reveals that he's actually an Ni dom since whenever he does this X he says something extremely Nish. Instead you're comparing finished products instead of comparing work processes. Work processes are what this site is about. The finished product comes when everyone agrees.

You might as well say that until cognitive functions can be found by neuroimaging and a brain scan is done on the people involved, there is really no way to conclude what type they really are.

Obviously no one has a 100% typing percentage. While I personally would type Romney as an ESTJ and Portman as an ISFJ, that doesn't make the website useless. It just means you have to take the information from them cum grano salis. It's still a good reference for the types of many people. By your criteria we all should not listen to you because you've typed Sarah Palin and Taylor Swift as non-ESFJs, in fact types differing from each other, when they are actually the same type, ESFJ. That wouldn't be truly fair. Not everyone is perfect.

Sarah Palin is ESTP, while Taylor Swift is ENTP, so you are close about them sharing similar personality, just that it is not ESFJ and they are not the same type.

Originally Posted by Sparky

You might as well say that until cognitive functions can be found by neuroimaging and a brain scan is done on the people involved, there is really no way to conclude what type they really are.



Sarah Palin is ESTP, while Taylor Swift is ENTP, so you are close about them sharing similar personality, just that it is not ESFJ and they are not the same type.

If Taylor Swift is ENTP (which imo she most definiteyl is not) then please give us an example of Dominant Ne and Auxiliary Ti. Please also explain why you think she is a thinker rather than a feeler.

Originally Posted by Sparky

the differences in personality can be found with speech and movement patterns.

Speaking styles and movement patterns...do you listen to what they actually say or do you just compare body language?

Do you know anything about the different cognitive functions? It seems that all of your typings are done through comparing people to other people. Let's say that you take Natalie Portman and use her as the basis for typing others, how did you decide what type Natalie Portman was in the first place? It seems that all of your typing is based on body language and not actually based on what a person says, their actions or their motivations for their actions which is, in my opinion, key to working out someone's cognitive functions.

Originally Posted by umbrellasky

If Taylor Swift is ENTP (which imo she most definiteyl is not) then please give us an example of Dominant Ne and Auxiliary Ti. Please also explain why you think she is a thinker rather than a feeler.

Originally Posted by umbrellasky

Speaking styles and movement patterns...do you listen to what they actually say or do you just compare body language?

Do you know anything about the different cognitive functions? It seems that all of your typings are done through comparing people to other people. Let's say that you take Natalie Portman and use her as the basis for typing others, how did you decide what type Natalie Portman was in the first place? It seems that all of your typing is based on body language and not actually based on what a person says, their actions or their motivations for their actions which is, in my opinion, key to working out someone's cognitive functions.

Interpretation for the connections between actions or words and cognitive functions is tricky, so if you know the meanings of the cognitive functions, you can find examples of them in Taylor Swift yourself.

Typing is done through body language (including speech patterns), because words can come from sources other than the speaker, so their meanings do not reflect any particular personality. Similarly, words are often used to alter how the speakers are perceived by others, so a thinker could use words to make people think he is a feeler.

You can decide on someone as the basis for typing others of the same personality by confirming them to be that type first. This does not start off with a celebrity you do not know much about, but someone close like yourself, a friend or relative. From that, you come up with other examples of the same personality, which can also be friends and relatives. After some practicing, you can then start on strangers like famous public figures. Certain personality types will be easier to type than others, because you associate with them more often, though over time after many mistakes and continuous improvements, all of the personality types can be understood and observed.

Given how many famous actors are ENTP, it should not be surprising to learn a pop singer is an extroverted intuitive as well.