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This is a discussion on Titanic within the Guess the type forums, part of the What's my personality type? category; No one is getting snarky or aggressive at anyone, just to throw water on those flames. But sarcasm doesn't help. ...

  1. #61
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    No one is getting snarky or aggressive at anyone, just to throw water on those flames. But sarcasm doesn't help.

    I don't think any of the people vying for her Fi-ness is using "because I do that" as an argument. I suggest people watch a bit of the movie again (it's on YouTube), if this is bothering them as much as it did me, because it reminded me of a lot I didn't recall. She's actually quite outspoken and direct about her opinions, a characteristic I don't quite relate to INFJs. And it wasn't just "blowing smoke in her parent's face" that made me think Fi, but all of her actions in that scene put together, including the fact she did it all in front of important people she had just met.

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  2. #62
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by paper lilies View Post
    I think that saying that an abusive man like Cal, being a suitable man for anyone Fe-user or not is a tad ridiculous. How do you know what an Fe-user would choose in the sense of a suitable man? The Fe-users that I know tend to go for love, and love that they can truly express themselves outwardly with. Also, a lot of Fe-users that I know have a tendency to stay in abusive situations to please other people (just like Rose did). It's certainly not because someone is or is not a suitable partner. Also, if you notice in the facts and trivia of the Titanic movie, Rose was the only person to say "I love you"... watch closely, Jack never says it back. He might kiss her and be like, "You have to promise me that you won't give up" but he never tells her that he loves her. "Suitable choice" (laughs) certainly because all Fe-users are that shallow (sarcasm).
    Why are you twisting every post on here that doesn't agree with your opinions?

    Since others have quite clearly explained their posts and you continue to twist everything into your own false interpretation, without acknowledging anything that is ACTUALLY said, I can only conclude that your motive isn't to have an intelligent discussion.
    I'm bored now.

  3. #63
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by Neverontime View Post
    Why are you twisting every post on here that doesn't agree with your opinions?

    Since others have quite clearly explained their posts and you continue to twist everything into your own false interpretation, without acknowledging anything that is ACTUALLY said, I can only conclude that your motive isn't to have an intelligent discussion.
    I'm bored now.
    I'm not. I already said that I can definitely see where others are coming from with their description of Ne being used moreso than Ni. So, how am I twisting around what others are saying? I also stated that my views are not fixed on INFJ. I however do see Fe being used as well. So, perhaps I could ask you why you're twisting my posts around when they don't agree with your own opinions. I have certainly acknowledged others posts and I have certainly taken in what they have to say. Thus changing my opinion on Ne vs Ni. Perhaps you should go back and read my posts before quoting me in such ways.

  4. #64
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by funcoolname View Post
    I don't think any of the people vying for her Fi-ness is using "because I do that" as an argument. I suggest people watch a bit of the movie again (it's on YouTube), if this is bothering them as much as it did me, because it reminded me of a lot I didn't recall. She's actually quite outspoken and direct about her opinions, a characteristic I don't quite relate to INFJs. And it wasn't just "blowing smoke in her parent's face" that made me think Fi, but all of her actions in that scene put together, including the fact she did it all in front of important people she had just met.
    I can see where you're coming from here, for sure.
    However, Fe-users are very outspoken with their opinions and values. That's why it's extroverted feeling- sharing your opinions and values with others. Another possibility though that very well could show Fi is inferior Te coming out to play- which would cause Rose to be very outspoken as well. Though, I believe if it was the latter it would be a tad bit more aggressive. She seems to be pretty calm and cool about it all. However, she was definitely upset with her life, that's a given. What do you think?
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  5. #65
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by paper lilies View Post
    I think that saying that an abusive man like Cal, being a suitable man for anyone Fe-user or not is a tad ridiculous.
    I don't think anyone was saying that Cal's abusive tendencies would be desired by any woman at any time. I believe the poster was talking more about his station and what women like Rose during that period were supposed to want. Again look at the view of Rose's mother regarding the situation - she doesn't see Rose's wants at all. She thinks that she is doing what she is doing to help Rose and their family. She doesn't care that she is destroying Rose's sense of self and independence by shackling her to a man who doesn't give a damn about her wants, desires and ideas and subjugating her to role of 'wife'. Why? Because she is giving Rose security, respect and access to a world of privileged which was more respected during that time when people were going hungry. In essence Rose's mom wants her to do what 'women are supposed to do'. Despite Rose's chaffing of that disposition.

    That being said it's a bit ridiculous to believe all Fe-users would like one kind of person, but from the outside Cal definitely does provide most of the requirements of that time which would be a good suitor. It's only after we view his treatment of Rose that we consider him a horrible romantic suitor in favor of Jack someone who lets her freely express herself for the first time without rebuke.

    Also, a lot of Fe-users that I know have a tendency to stay in abusive situations to please other people (just like Rose did).
    That's not subjective to just Fe-users. Fi-users can also stay in bad relationships long after they were supposed to leave. ENFP and INFP's often have the problem of not leaving a relationship because they value the person/ties. The INFP character is also said to imagine that their romantic suitor has behaviors that they don't actually possess. Not being able to leave complicated relationships that may be bad for them is a commonality found in all F types not something respective just to Fe. If Fe is being told that their treatment is okay from other external figures it will start to believe this until they get information that says otherwise. Fi will also have to decide when the abuse must stop.

    As to how this relates to Titanic there is nothing that shows us that Cal was just as physically abusive to her as he was the first time he hits her on the boat. It's never brought up that he hit her prior to them arriving on the ship. I think that may be an extrapolation that Cal continuously abused her, especially when we take in her shock when Cal first hits Rose. There is nothing implied that says Cal hit her repeatedly in the first few scenes we see. There is nothing to show us that he was continuously abusive to her and that he constantly hit her, prior to that first scene in the film where he actually does.

    Rose was the only person to say "I love you"
    That could be an argument for Fe, Fe-users generally are more likely to express their views/feelings outward. Fi usually needs something to prompt it to disclose it's principals.

    Quote Originally Posted by funcoolname View Post
    I suggest people watch a bit of the movie again (it's on YouTube), if this is bothering them as much as it did me, because it reminded me of a lot I didn't recall. She's actually quite outspoken and direct about her opinions, a characteristic I don't quite relate to INFJs. And it wasn't just "blowing smoke in her parent's face" that made me think Fi, but all of her actions in that scene put together, including the fact she did it all in front of important people she had just met.

    I remember another scene of the film where she is about to jump off the boat and then Jack comes in to save her. I thought that scene seemed very Fi because she was outright unwilling to bend to his emotions at first. She tells him that if he comes any closer she will jump because she has firmly made the decision to jump. But then he slowly gets closer and closer until he discloses the fact that if she jumps he will too and at that point she can't jump because she can't be responsible for ending his life, even if she wants to end hers. That seems like a very Fi disposition, she originally doesn't care about what he thinks of her but then she realizes that if she does jump and he jumps in after her she will have ended two lives instead of one.

    Quote Originally Posted by paper lilies View Post
    I'm not. I already said that I can definitely see where others are coming from with their description of Ne being used moreso than Ni. I however do see Fe being used as well.
    Well she can't have two extroverted functions as her top functions. She has to have something internally happening to her to guide the Ne, so that leaves Ti or Fi. If you are sticking with Ne as one of her main functions and you believe that she is a feeler then Fi it is - it has to be Fi. There is no type in Jung Psychology that has Fe and Ne as their top functions. INFP and ENFP are the only choices that have a Feeling preference and Extraverted intuition in their stacking. Unless you believe she is ENTP who have Ne, Ti and Fe in their stacking. I personally don't see it though.
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  6. #66
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by paper lilies View Post
    I'm not. I already said that I can definitely see where others are coming from with their description of Ne being used moreso than Ni. So, how am I twisting around what others are saying? I also stated that my views are not fixed on INFJ. I however do see Fe being used as well. So, perhaps I could ask you why you're twisting my posts around when they don't agree with your own opinions. I have certainly acknowledged others posts and I have certainly taken in what they have to say. Thus changing my opinion on Ne vs Ni. Perhaps you should go back and read my posts before quoting me in such ways.
    I've asked twice for an example of an Fe description that relates to the points you mentioned and I believe at least one other member has also. You have not acknowledged this or provided any such examples.

    You have invented points to argue such as Fi users are saying it's Fi because they can relate, when in fact that argument has not even been put forward by any Fi user.

    Then you twisted my post to by insinuating I was calling Fe uses shallow, which I was not and I'm sure you are fully aware of that.

    Your underhand tactics to belittle, invalidate and trivialise other people's posts are as obvious as your transparent last minute attempt to give the impression you are considering other people's pov.

    Do you think everyone else is too stupid to see this? You have already been called out on your sarcasm more than once in this thread.

    This sort of behaviour puts people off posting on the forums.

  7. #67
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by paper lilies View Post
    I can see where you're coming from here, for sure.
    However, Fe-users are very outspoken with their opinions and values. That's why it's extroverted feeling- sharing your opinions and values with others. Another possibility though that very well could show Fi is inferior Te coming out to play- which would cause Rose to be very outspoken as well. Though, I believe if it was the latter it would be a tad bit more aggressive. She seems to be pretty calm and cool about it all. However, she was definitely upset with her life, that's a given. What do you think?
    I'm still leaning more towards Fi with inferior Te.. It comes out as less aggressive because she's more disdainful of her mother than anything, and she does feel sorry for her at some points - I think the aggressiveness comes out more directed at Cal towards the end. Fe is about maintaining harmony, valuing peace, anticipating and trying to fulfill the needs of others, as well as speaking about and passing on values. So Fe-doms may react angrily to the harmony of others being disturbed, but they are more "As long as everyone is happy, so am I", and Rose is very "I'm not happy, we don't value the same things and I'm going to do something about it, even if it's going against what makes other people happy"
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  8. #68
    INTJ - The Scientists

    According to TVTropes.com, Rose is an INFJ, if you go to the MBTI part of the site through this link:Myers-Briggs - Television Tropes & Idioms

    And click on "Spirited Young Lady" under INFJ, lol. The argument about her having propriety when necessary, but willing to subvert that seems kind of like Ni-Fe in action, I think.

  9. #69
    INTJ - The Scientists

    On a more serious note, she doesn't seem like an inferior Te type at all. More like an inferior Se type (e.g. taking really rash action to try to commit suicide, which looked super impulsive and out-of-control, inferior style).
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  10. #70
    INFP - The Idealists

    Those Television Trope definitions for the INFJ could be said almost exactly about an INFP (laughs).

    Private, preferring one-on-one friendships to crowds, and often quiet about their own feelings. They are often creative and artistic, and prefer to operate behind the scenes.

    @JungyesMBTIno what does an inferior Te type look like?
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