Spock: INTJ or INTP?
Spock is an INTJ
Spock is an INTP
Spock is an ISTJ
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Spock: INTJ or INTP?
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He is ISTJ. Although Spock is better with conceptual thinking than many other Vulcans (who in most instances throughout Star Trek are obsessed with all that is concrete) he is still mostly Sensing-inclined.
The only glaring flaw in this common analysis of Spock is that he is somewhat idealistic. He hides it, but has expressed such views in the movies somewhat and especially in the episode "The Way to Eden".
In addition to his overwhelmingly factually-based problem solving ability, please also note his extreme devotion to duty and also his great respect for Vulcan tradition.
How I see Spocks character as intuitive is how he takes in data and then looks for the big picture in it and makes predictions based on possible scenarios providing Kirk options to go by. He often goes against the regulations albeit unwillingly and does not revere authority that is not established to him. In fact he rather rebels authority that he disagrees with and assumes control if other options are not available.
And Spock indeed is an idealist, like many INTJ's he sees how system can be improved and what the good aspect of it are, but chooses to support the current system as long as it suffices as a functional one. Spock, who by culture is taught to respect command line and authority has a visible struggle to stop his need to challenge it and often he chooses to go against the ruling members suggestions following his own vision over the choice he is expected to do as a member of his society.
Spock also is a judger, he is very organized and enforces the order in theory and in practice. He establishes his own order when one is lacking instead of going by any system he has seen functional before. And alike all INTJ's to him individual performance of each person is much more important than their theoretical potential. He uses a lot of time planning contingencies and preparing for scenarios, which makes him often the first response to threat that others were not expecting. McCoy is more of a ISTJ and can not stand the intuitive behaviour of Spock, who often prefers the most efficient path to solution rather than the one that follows through each step that takes everything into account including the feelings of crew members and the proper protocol of courtesy.
The strong Ni in Spock also is demonstrated in his ability to see that something bothers people around him, he is not blind to the influence he has to others, he is well aware of it and chooses to ignore it for the sake of objective and efficacy, but never will he overstep the boundaries and cause outright rebellion in his subordinates unless they are already irrationally behaving and under temperament tantrum. Spock is much more empathetic then first appears and it is also seen in his reactions to danger against his crew. He steps in as the first target of enemy fire, in order to protect the order of those of weaker constitution.
His tertiary is clearly Fi, as you see him often conflicting with his needs to blame himself for the flaws in the overall performance and how he is not one to enforce his point of view to others, rather he offers his ideas as obvious statements hoping that others will see them in similar light. You see it often in his lines when he backs up his statements as logical and "clearly our first choice is..." or something similar. He does not go the Fe way to seek validation or assurance from others, he has the assurance from within and only offers what he has already figured out to people to use.
And his introversion is of course obvious.
Now I forgot to go over his culture and such all together.
Vulcan culture is very ISTJ dominant in nature. It is strict on hierarchy and utility, revolving around strong sense of conformity and rules, traditions and control. Spock in a sense is very proud of his culture, but as INTJ and an individualist type he again goes against the grain and joins starfleet, causing disapproval and friction with his parents and peers. Only later in his life he establishes his own usefulness as "odd one out" and becomes ambassador, proving his utility and regaining his reverence as a pioneer to inter-relations. Which further illustrates his INTJ qualities.
As Spock comes from ISTJ culture his conflict of what is proper and what is his primary function is the root of his very character, giving him the depth and appeal as a personality who is stuck between need of conformity and the drive to be himself. How he makes friends with his few bridge officer peers also is very intuitive and relies more on establishing strong connection with long term prospects that allow him to invest more effort and actual emotion to his relationships. Even then he hides it for the most times, but as it is Fi, it forces its way through and makes him eager to demonstrate his affection through actions as well as support for his friends despite the most glaring differences between them. He allows so much more for Kirk and McCoy than anyone else around him in terms of inappropriate and disorderly behaviour.
This all has convinced me that Spock is INTJ coming from ISTJ culture thanks to having likely a human ENFJ mother, inheriting the softer values of intuitive types and more strategic than tactical approach to life than his ISTX peers who always make the "optimal choice" over the challenging one.
And you also pointed out that we have to look beyond his immediate personality, which is his role as a vulcan constructed by his culture. There were always hints (both subtle and obvious) that Spock rigidly guarded aspects of himself.
And then there's McCoy, who's so obviously 'S'....
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