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#1 ·
Anyone here watch it? It is mildly overrated if I'm going to be critical about it but it's still good nonetheless. Guess the type of the main cast below.

The Crawleys
Violet Crawley
Robert Crawley
Cora Crawley
Mrs Isobel Crawley
Matthew Crawley
Lady Mary Crawley
Lady Edith Crawley
Lady Sybil Crawley

The Staff
Mr. Carson
Mrs Hughes
Mrs Patmore
John Bates
Sarah O'Brien
Thomas Barrow
William Mason
Anna Smith
Daisy
Tom Branson

Discuss :happy:. I'll pitch in soon.
 
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#38 ·
i'll take a stab at this.

The Crawleys
Violet Crawley- ENTJ
Robert Crawley- ISTJ
Cora Crawley- ISFP
Mrs Isobel Crawley- ENFJ
Matthew Crawley- ISTJ
Lady Mary Crawley- ISTP
Lady Edith Crawley- ESFP
Lady Sybil Crawley- INFP

The Staff
Mr. Carson- ISTJ
Mrs Hughes- ESFJ
Mrs Patmore- ENFJ
John Bates- INTJ
Sarah O'Brien- INTJ
Thomas Barrow- ? i need to think more about this one.
William Mason- ENFP
Anna Smith- ISFJ
Daisy- ENFP
Tom Branson- INTP
 
#42 ·
I'm kind of shocked that no one has brought up the idea of Mary being an ENTP. I think the complexity of her character is fundamentally based on the fact that she's stifled by the traditions that have given her the life she has (and she's grateful for that) while she doesn't place very much importance on them herself. As an ENTP who was pretty much raised to be an SJ, I identify with her a lot. The only real reason I'm ever motivated by tradition is when it is important to people I love or to maintain what I have. I admit that might only be my interpretation of her because it's what I identify with, but it's what I see in her nonetheless.
 
#48 ·
I have finally made an account after wanting to post on this thread for so long.

I also think Mary is an ENTP. I strongly identify with her character (probably more than any other character I've come across). I know this may skew my reading of her character but I see so many ENTP traits.

Mary's response here seems very ENTP to me
Lady Sybil: I don't know why we bother with corsets. Men don't wear them, and they look perfectly normal in their clothes.
Lady Mary: Not all of them.

Her sharp and sometimes cruel humour and air of superiority seem very NTP to me. I think she is interested in maintaining her position of power, which makes her appear more traditional than she is.

I think Mary's slow decision making over big choices that she could see coming suggests NP rather than J. She constantly reevaluates her decisions, which I think she would do less of if she were a J.
 
#50 ·
lilahcub - I can see it more now. The thing is, Mary doesn't seem very Ne to me? She seems a great deal like a sensor sometimes, though I can see why someone would think she's N. My INFJ sister totally relates to her, and I think Mary's quite relatable because she's flawed, very human and someone you can both relate to and look up to.

JonathanG - Edith is DEFINITELY ExxP. She's an extrovert: she longs to be in the spotlight, just like Mary always is. She needs attention and she feeds off the energy of others. I think it's quite obvious - although Edith see herself as an awkward person, and she concentrates on her flaws, especially in series one. In series two, she becomes more her own person, and tries to overcome that - but Edith's awkwardness doesn't make her introverted. As for the P, I'm not sure - she strikes me as more of a P than a J. Her being an SJ would make sense, but she is absolutely nothing like the ESFJs I know; Cora and Mrs. Patmore seem more like ESFJ than her, I think. Edith is really relatable too - like Mary - and both my ENFJ best friends relate a lot to her... but she strikes me as more of a sensor.
 
#52 ·
I still think Edith is an introvert. Not because she is awkward, but because she seems to need time alone to get some energy back. She is always writing all by herself. Her favourite place in the estate is that isolated temple where she goes when she feels down because it brings her back to memories of happier times with Patrick(Si at work).

And I don't see her wanting to be in the spotlight. What she wants is to be loved and valued which is not related to introversion or extraversion. Furthermore, Enneagram-wise, she is a 3w2, which can make her seem extraverted at times.

I don't see any Se or Fi in Edith. She is all about external values. It's Si + Fe at work.

And once again, there is always something in everybody that someone can relate to. It doesn't mean that everybody is the same type.
 
#51 ·
i totally think mary is a sensor too. i don't think she's that relateable though, nor do i look up to her. i felt more that way about sybil actually!

i originally typed mary as ISTP and i think it fits her. i chose ESFP for edith and i think it fits her too. they definitely both seem like sensors to me, not intuitives.
 
#53 ·
But she does want to be in the spotlight. We don't really see her wanting time to recharge, and that part where she's alone in the temple thingy in the estate is shown only once. Whilst we see Sybil (an introvert) alone often - and we see her choose to be a nurse which is more of an introvert profession, if you ask me - and Mary (an extrovert) alone a couple of times, but the difference is that Mary doesn't really "charge her batteries" by being alone. Same with Edith. Edith is more often than not the one who is actively participating in conversation, going out there and doing things, etc. And whilst writing is something we see her do at the end of series 3, we don't really see her write in the other series (apart from one series one episode, I think) and not all writers are introverts. She learns to drive a track and works at that farm in series one, but the only reason Mr. Drake told her she should've been a writer is because he was attracted to her, and also because A lot of ESFPs are writers, and artists in general as well - it doesn't mean she writes a lot because she's an introvert. Of course, I could be wrong, but that's just how I see it.
 
#54 ·
When did she try to get in the spotlight? The only time where she did is when she began to talk to Sir Anthony because Mary was ignoring him. She spent all of season 2 quietly helping the wounded soldiers. When it was brought to everyone's attention by the visiting officier, she quietly thanked him and did not add anything.

And where do you see Se and Fi in Edith?
 
#60 · (Edited)
Okay, I'm only towards the end of Series Two, so I don't know what happens after the Spanish Flu episode, but the Spanish Flu episode gave me this little insight...



I don't know whether Daisy is an intuitive or not, but I'm pretty convinced she leads with Fi (and she certainly does NOT appear to lead with Ne - or at least not with any type of the thinking-fast-on-your-feet Ne that I understand and experience).

As for her Fi, everybody around her is giving her the Fe prescription: Marry William, accept the widow's pension the way William and his father would want her to, go visit with William's father.

Daisy, though, thinks from her GUT that it is absolutely wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong to do so because she didn't actually love William, so she believes it's all a lie. She's thinking in absolute moral principles worked out in the idiosyncratic inner regions of her own psyche.

As a tert-Fe user, I had no conception at all of why Daisy was behaving the way she was until it dawned on me that it was all an Fi thing. Her moral principles didn't come from the culture. They come from within herself.

Now, don't get me wrong. I probably wouldn't have promised William in the first place if I didn't actually love him. But if I had already promised him, I wouldn't have hesitated at all to marry him on his deathbed and accept the widow's pension and later visit with his father. I would have considered all that to be the least that I could do to honor his memory.

Not so for the Fi poster child! She believes it's all a lie.

Daisy... IxFP.
 
#56 ·
JonathanG, in most episodes of series one, she's seemed extroverted... like when she's constantly trying to talk to Pamuk, Evelyn Napier, and Matthew in S01E03. And of course, the episodes with Anthony Strallen, too. She wants Matthew's attention so much that she agrees to go on local church visits with him. I think that deep down, she's ambitious and motivated. Most ISFPs/ISFJs I know are very different from that. You don't see Edith wishing to hide and not be seen - she's the sister that is really okay with the traditional way of life, she's not motivated to change all that, but she's quite mean and she chooses to be the most traditional sister. At least, till series 2 when she learns to drive; but even then, her constant motivation is to be loved, married, and that's what she thinks will make her happy. She really wants to be valued; but she still struggles with it. I'm not exactly sure about her Se and Fi, but she just strikes me as more of an extrovert. Or at least an extroverted, outgoing and sociable introvert.

ENFPdvd, Daisy isn't really intuitive though?
 
#61 ·
Once again the disclaimer: I have not yet seen Series 3, so my comments are based only on what I've seen up through the Spanish Flu episode towards the end of Series 2.



What is the role of culture in all this?

The political passions you mention are very deeply embedded in Irish culture - not to mention that the plot occurs around the time of the Easter Rebellion and the subsequent guerrilla war that occurred after the executions of the leaders of the Rebellion (and later, the unleashing of the Black and Tans - who murdered Branson's cousin). You would be hard pressed to find many Irish at that time whose political passions did not run high. Many of them must have been T's. Then, on top of the politics, the notion of running away with the Lord's daughter has long been the stuff of Irish legend and song.

So really even if Branson is a Thinker, his cultural background would cause him to look at least superficially like a Feeler. The real question is what cognitive functions is he using, and in what order?

I actually haven't given much thought to his cognitive functions. I just wanted to throw the cultural element into the mix because I don't think you can analyze Branson in isolation from it.

(Oh, btw, I'm a former pub musician. I've heard all the songs, including the political ones - many of which are about the period in question).
 
#59 ·
The Crawleys
Violet Crawley-ESTJ - she is very involved/concerned about her family and her children all taking their proper place; she speaks her mind without worrying about how it will be perceived; she's very status conscious
Robert Crawley- ISXJ
Cora Crawley - ESFJ -
Mrs Isobel Crawley - ENFJ - she is definitely intuitive and people and their potential
Matthew Crawley - INFJ - He really does remind me of all my BFFs who are INFJ. He is very intuitive about both people and things. He is concerned about social dictates but not so much that he lets it blind him. He seems to have a sort of wisdom about him.
Lady Mary Crawley - I'm started to be persuaded toward ESTP by some here
Lady Edith Crawley - I'm not exactly sure but definitely an extrovert. I would lean toward ESTJ (only a lot weaker than Granny) She is not shy about her opinions. The way she pursues whats-his-face. or ESFJ - she struggles with her image and her responsibilities and tries to guilt people into doing things.
Lady Sybil Crawley - ENFP - Her Ne is SOOO obvious, especially in season 1. She is all about her own ideas, opinions, very idealistic. She seems to get into a lot of different activities.

The Staff - I pretty much agree with what is stated by others with exception in bold:
Mr. Carson - Definitely ISTJ
Mrs Hughes - ISFJ
Mrs Patmore- ESTP
John Bates - INFJ - He's very insightful and very caring in a practical way.
Sarah O'Brien- INTJ. - oh yes
Thomas Barrow - ENTJ
William Mason- ISFP
Anna Smith - ENFP
Daisy - ENFP
Tom Branson - ENTP
Ethel Perks - ESFP
 
#63 ·
Then Daisy is ISFP? Because I really can't see Daisy as INFP - most INFPs are more emotional, sensitive and idealistic and also usually independent, whilst she's totally dependent on Mrs. Patmore and it's also incredibly easy for someone to manipulate her because of her naivety. She just seems more ISFP to me. I think Sybil and Gwen are the INFPs of the show (Sybil has developped Ne, but she's an introvert, and that's why the two get along so well. Though Gwen could be ENFJ, too - we never got to know her as well as Sybil)
I always thought Tom as an ENTP. I know an ENTP who is a lot like him, and he's really passionate too. He's not exactly romantic, but he's passionate in a very addictive way... I can't quite explain it. He feels 100% passion for everything he does, but he's led by logic, not by sensitivity and feelings, if that makes sense. He's more rational. I think Tom is like that. He seems more introverted after the middle of season 3, though, I think. Maybe because he's depressed?
 
#70 ·
Aw, I don't know *too* much about Si myself - but "Si often translates into an adherence to existing facts, traditions, worldviews, or methods. These types are typically not well-equipped for, nor are they highly interested in, creating their own ideas or theories, which would require a stronger Ne. They are more concerned with ensuring their beliefs and behaviors are consistent with an existing standard than they are in formulating their own set of standards. In many ways, they are dependent on what has already been already been tried and established, systems of thought that grant them a sense of consistency and security." seemed quite a lot like Daisy to me - though I don't know too much about Si/Se myself. Though, whilst reading through stuff about both sensing functions, I think she might be more Se, but we just don't get to see it too much. I also thought of her as a sensor in general because she's a cook - and ISFPs tend to follow careers like art or even cooking because they're very creative. Maybe that's why she really stuck with Mrs. Patmore and the others through those years, especially considering that the job of a kitchen maid is the hardest one of all, and also the least rewarding one, and most girls in that job quit early and applied for different jobs as they couldn't handle it! (I rememeber watching a reality series about a modern family that moves into an early 19th century mansion and they hire modern people as their servants and I think 2-3 of the girls quit after the first few days!) Maybe she genuinely likes it? I don't know too much about Si and Se but she seems very much like a sensor to me, without doubt. Maybe I'm wrong...
 
#72 ·
I can really relate to Mary, which I realize is not concrete proof that she's an ISTP, but it's possible. I'm also only halfway through Series 2 so further character development may sway my opinions.

She enjoys personal, private one-to-one conversations over in a group, and enjoys the spotlight insofar as to be competitive with Edith. She is also pretty aloof and is only down to talk about private matters/feelings with a few trusted confidants. Has a dry kinda sense of humor. Very Ti when it comes down to values, pretty apathetic towards large-scale issues (compared to say Sybil) and socially liberal for a woman of her time with no real Fi-esque morals she set for herself that she feels the need to abide by, but she does care about the public's perception of her (albeit usually after-the-fact and too late; inferior Fe kicking in, oops!). Pretty non-confrontational and weighs her options logically.
 
#74 ·
I always saw Mary as ENTJ. She shows heaps of Ni, actually, but she's got a very pragmatic-Te-ish nature as well. I don't see ISTP for her, and I do not think she's very much of a sensor. She doesn't go along with sensors very well - Edith, Cora, Robert, Violet, etc. they are ISFJ, ESFJ, ISFJ and ESTJ. She gets along well with other iNtuitives, though, like Sybil and Matthew (INFP) and Tom (ENTP). I do see why she seems like an ESTP, but then again, she's a fictional character... they tend to be a bit different than normal people. Like, Mary has had some xSTP moments, but also INTJ ones, INFJ ones, even ENFJ ones. But she strikes me as an ENTJ, overall...
 
#76 ·
First, getting along with someone doesn't mean you are the same types and not getting along doesn't mean you aren't. There's much more to a relationship than type. Edith and Mary don't get along not because of a potential S/N difference, but because of history of competition for their parents' love, jealousy and old wounds. And she gets along just fine with Cora, and Violet and she is defending Robert most of the times.
 
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