E/INTP needs help typing herself!

Hey, guys! Okay, I'm fourteen years old, and I know that I'm either ENTP or INTP.
INTP:
I prefer not to go to parties.
I will spend hours doing research on anything that interests me.
I have close friends at school, but I don't like inviting them over, since I like to be alone.
My attitude depends entirely on who I'm with.
There is nothing that I love more than learning and being right.
I'm fascinated by systems.
I'm highly independent.
ENTP:
I'm really goofy with my friends sometimes.
I love public speaking.
I will argue with anyone on anything for the fun of it.
I think that I'm more imaginative than I am logical.
I try to make my ideas a reality, but it usually doesn't work, since I lack the organizational skills and attention span.
I'm an enthusiastic student (I always have been.).
I'm very verbal.
Notes:
When I was younger, I was probably more ENTP, but I've become more INTP as I've gotten older.
Most quizzes have said that I'm INTP, but my friends say that I'm more extroverted.



Thanks for helping!

I think you're going about it the wrong way. Delve inward and consider how you act around friends and most importantly when you're alone. Do you want to discuss all your theories with other people? (PerC or other forums don't count) Are you bothered by being alone for extended amounts of time? Who's the caller, the spark of invitations? In other words do you call your buddies or do you wait for them to call you first. All these little things that happen on a daily basis will help you more than a list that will be bias due to what you want to be. Get into it from a internal perspective and then place all the details out and think of it from the outside without ego or expectations.

ENxP 3w4. You're too young to tell if you're an ENFP or ENTP.

Originally Posted by Keg

I think you're going about it the wrong way. Delve inward and consider how you act around friends and most importantly when you're alone. Do you want to discuss all your theories with other people? (PerC or other forums don't count) Are you bothered by being alone for extended amounts of time? Who's the caller, the spark of invitations? In other words do you call your buddies or do you wait for them to call you first. All these little things that happen on a daily basis will help you more than a list that will be bias due to what you want to be. Get into it from a internal perspective and then place all the details out and think of it from the outside without ego or expectations.

Hmm... okay, then. I spend a lot of time alone in my room doing research on different things, reading, or just thinking about different things. With my close friends, I'm always eager to share my ideas and theories, even though they may not always understand or care. My best friend seems to be INFJ, though, and we like to talk about similar things. I don't call my friends very often, but when they call me, I listen about 50% of the time. The rest of the time, I pretend to listen and do something else (read, mess around on my computer, go outside, etc.) or I'm the one talking. It's easier for me to talk with someone face-to-face or Skype, since I'm less likely to become distracted. School is the place where I'm most extroverted. I focus best during school hours, and am not as easily distracted.

For what it's worth, I can identify with most things on both of your lists and I am INTP. Doesn't prove anything either way though.

Originally Posted by Third Engine

ENxP 3w4. You're too young to tell if you're an ENFP or ENTP.

I know I'm not an ENFP. I make decisions based on logic. And I don't think that I'm too young to figure it out. Though personalities can change, I've read that about 95% of it is obvious by the time a child is five.

Originally Posted by Kathryn Miesse

I know I'm not an ENFP. I make decisions based on logic. And I don't think that I'm too young to figure it out. Though personalities can change, I've read that about 95% of it is obvious by the time a child is five.

You making decisions based on logic doesn't mean anything. You could be making decisions based on Extraverted Thinking, which would be the realm of the ENFP, and not the ENTP. It all depends on how your judgment functions are oriented.

And, no, going by Jungian Cognitive Theory (which is what I'm assuming here--it could be all bullshit for all I know), you really don't have a grasp on your auxiliary function while you're in your teens. It may begin to show, but it'll be hard to tell since Fi and Ti can look similar. If you were 17 or 18, then yeah, I would trust your judgment, but since you're not, then I would hold off on completely evaluating yourself for a while. There is a LOT of cognitive development between the ages of 14 and 18.

I think you can tell that you make decisions based on Ti when you're 14. That's the age I first took the test, and I got INTP (I'm almost 17 now and sure that I'm a TP type (Ti user). I fit the INTP decriptions even as a little kid (although I once had the enthusiasm, outgoingness, and adventurousness of an ENTP).

I think you're an INTP, Kathryn, and it's possible that you are in the process of devloping your Ne. Therefore, Ne may seem more obvious to you than your Ti, causing you to mistype. Also, outgoingness does not equate to extroversion in MBTI terms. Although, I think extroverts are more likely to be outgoing out of necessity (they get their energy from social interaction).

Nothing on your list is a definite ENTP trait. All of them are characteristic of INTPs except for "I think that I'm more imaginative than I am logical." However, that could be explained by what I already said above (about Ne seeming more obvious than Ti because of where you are in development).

Questions.
Do you relate to Fe or Si more? In case you don't know anything about cognitive functions, I will help with providing simple definitions as a starting point.

Si compares present moments with past experiences, and may also use past experiences to predict the future. If you are a heavy Si user, you will probably stick to what works and is reliable instead of considering more revolutionary options.

Fe seeks harmony and social connection. Fe users feel a need for belonging and like to make others feel like they belong. Fe users care about the interests of the group. However, some Fe may reject others who don't conform to their view.

This is just my own basic understanding, and you'll probably want to research all the functions on your own.

Which is less appealing to you: Emotions or detail/practicality?

Which is more important: Precision or clarity?

Do you search for feedback and tell your ideas (rough drafts) to others before revising, or do you try to perfect your ideas before presenting them?

Most importantly, are you energized from being alone or from being around people? How do you feel after being alone for a long time period? How do you feel after being around people constantly?

Originally Posted by Third Engine

You making decisions based on logic doesn't mean anything. You could be making decisions based on Extraverted Thinking, which would be the realm of the ENFP, and not the ENTP. It all depends on how your judgment functions are oriented.

And, no, going by Jungian Cognitive Theory (which is what I'm assuming here--it could be all bullshit for all I know), you really don't have a grasp on your auxiliary function while you're in your teens. It may begin to show, but it'll be hard to tell since Fi and Ti can look similar. If you were 17 or 18, then yeah, I would trust your judgment, but since you're not, then I would hold off on completely evaluating yourself for a while. There is a LOT of cognitive development between the ages of 14 and 18.

I agree with this. I thought I was ENFP when I was 15-16... didn't take the test again until I was 24-25, but looking back now I didn't fully come into my ENTP-ness until I was about 18-19.

Originally Posted by Third Engine

You making decisions based on logic doesn't mean anything. You could be making decisions based on Extraverted Thinking, which would be the realm of the ENFP, and not the ENTP. It all depends on how your judgment functions are oriented.

And, no, going by Jungian Cognitive Theory (which is what I'm assuming here--it could be all bullshit for all I know), you really don't have a grasp on your auxiliary function while you're in your teens. It may begin to show, but it'll be hard to tell since Fi and Ti can look similar. If you were 17 or 18, then yeah, I would trust your judgment, but since you're not, then I would hold off on completely evaluating yourself for a while. There is a LOT of cognitive development between the ages of 14 and 18.

Let me put this straight. She takes into consideration INTP and as far as I know Ti is primary cognitive function in this case. She would definitely be aware of that by 14. If that is the case Ne or Se would be what is still not developed well enough to have a clear judgment according to what you write, BUT when I look back in time I've been pretty much into abstraction and thinking in my teens and it was more then clear. So this wait till your late 30s is a bullshit according to me and regardless what MBTI says. Not to mention that 12-20 has been assigned to function development not really choice making. Plus if you say she cannot be sure of Ti then Te which supposed to be tertiary for an ENFP is even further away. Not to mention that it would definitely not be available as a judging function at this stage.

@Kathryn Miesse I personally have been extremely extroverted as a kid but my teen were more introverted just so I could find a balance in my mid 20s ;) ENTPs might be really introverted in times so it is not really easy to say. Check out ENTP's forum there is a lot threads about introverted ENTPs or the need for them/us to stay in our skull-box for a while. I personally think of myself as ANTP. Neither ENTP', nor INTP's label describe me clearly.

Get in touch with cognitive functions' definitions, articles, couple honestly done tests and it should become more clear.
Good luck on your journey to get to know yourself better :)