Adolf Hitler

Originally Posted by teabiscits

i read somewhere he was enfj but then again most of the time celebrities are typed wrong. maybe he wasn't even human maybe he was an alien?

I read he's an ENFJ too, and I'm pretty sure they are right. He was charismatic, influential, and was able to manipulate people to a cause they didn't know was right. Just like what's his face with the Suicide cult, and most other cult leaders (including, possibly Charles Manson), it just proves how much ENFJ's need to get a strong moral compass early on and not get too overtaken by hatred for one or two people.

I couldn't see Hitler as an INFJ, not because INFJ's don't have the capacity for that much wrongdoing if they are unhealthy/get carried away.



In the end, humans are not as good as you may wish them to be, deep down, we're all neutral.

Thanks for the information. youve given me alot of interesting stuff to take in.cheers:-)
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I think it's very difficult to pinpoint Hitler's type, but I can see how he could be INFJ, because I can identify with him to a certain degree. For a year or so I felt the same way about muslims as he did about Jews. Seeing as INFJs are often very convinced that their own values are 'the truth', it's a dangerous type when we have the wrong ideals.

We don't really know what happened in Hitler's youth or whether fighting in WW1 left him traumatized/insane, but there must have been something that caused his hatred. The hatred I personally felt was a combination of the political climate in my country, the stupidity of youth and personal experiences. Before I went back to school I worked in airport security for a while, and in The Netherlands many muslims work in security too. Unfortunately there were also a number of them who sympathized with terrorist organisations (and these are the guys supposed to be checking for terrorists).

A close family friend, who is a coptic Christian from Egypt, also has many stories about what muslims do to Christians in Egypt. After hearing how some of his relatives got beheaded, and my personal experiences with some muslims (beside the security guards I mentioned before) it left me feeling like I wanted these guys out of my country. Now. I think especially during puberty and adolescence people are more prone to have thoughts like that. Now I've gotten out of that phase I can see the situation more clearly, and I'm able to relativise. I think Hitler simply got stuck in the same phase. After some point I imagine he was also in too deep to change his mind, which he might have if things never got that far. Who knows?

Many Germans said "Wir haben das nicht gewüsst (we didn't know)" after WW2. I doubt that they really didn't know, I just think that for them it seemed like the right thing to do at the time. A nessecary means of self-preservation against an evil enemy. They knew, but they just didn't know it was wrong yet.

Yes! And this proves all INFJ's are evil dictators at heart! Muahahahahaha.

Disclaimer: kidding!!

I see enfj, and I've heard that.

The fact that you're 1% of the population - how is that remotely relevant to anything at all in determining the issue? It is not about the population, it is about one member, so you analyse the one member, not the makeup of the population. That is illogical. If you were discussing the statistical likelihood of one individual in the world of being infj, an individual about whom you knew nothing, then bring in statistics.

Originally Posted by kdm1984

braintypes.com has listed him as ENTJ in the past, which sounds much more plausible to me. Personally, I think they type famous people much more accurately than other sources. They don't list any famous INFJs other than the self-effacing football innovator Lamar Hunt.

BTW, I don't think even famous admirable folks like MLK Jr., Eleanor Roosevelt, or Mahatma Gandhi were INFJs, either, so I'm not just discounting Hitler as our type because of who he was. And just for the record, braintypes.com hasn't typed Gandhi (who I believe was a man of firm INTP principle than a man of warm INFJ feelings), but they have MLK Jr. as ENTJ (obviously different values from Hitler! - but both were great public speakers, not exactly an INFJ trait) and Eleanor Roosevelt as ESTJ (I always used to wonder why she resembled my ESTJ grandmother so strongly).

I'm not so sure what MLK Jr was, nor have I read much about him to really have an opinion so I won't say there. However, I will say that Eleanor Roosevelt is definitely NOT an ESTJ at all - she is very very INFJ. If you read any biographies about her she's described as always being the "shy lonely girl who had trouble fitting in", which, typically anybody who is described that way is often times an INFJ or INFP. She certainly lived by her vision in human rights and stepped up to work towards that rather than sit back in her duty as first lady as an ISFJ or ISFP probably would -- do a few things here and there, but nothing "different".

Point being: there is no reason at all why an INFJ can not be a great public speaker. Both INFJs and INFPs have done it. There are many INFJs that are pastors and teachers and are able to be quite effective because of how they can "feel" from the audience (I know that whenever I teach a lesson I "feel" from the students. I can't imagine myself just standing up there being oblivious of the fact that I've mentally lost half the class, like some people I've seen do). There's an INFJ I know that used to do a lot of public speaking in high school and won many public speaking competitions (and yes, I can tell that she was definitely an INFJ -- truly introverted intuitive). Go to the infj.com website and watch videos of Vicki Jo, a fellow INFJ. She definitely uses a lot of Fe, so may not be a "traditional" INFJ, but she is definitely a good speaker. Our Fe can be very helpful to us when we want to use it and get away from our Ni daze... it may just take some of us more time to develop than others.


Anyway - to the main topic. I've said this before on another thread where this was discussed -- I can't see Hilter being an INFJ solely for this reason... watch videos of his mannerism and actions - he has very little facial expressions, which typically means T. I read he was an ST somewhere, but who knows. He's long dead.

Originally Posted by thegirlcandance

However, I will say that Eleanor Roosevelt is definitely NOT an ESTJ at all - she is very very INFJ. If you read any biographies about her she's described as always being the "shy lonely girl who had trouble fitting in", which, typically anybody who is described that way is often times an INFJ or INFP.

By that singular description, she could have been an INTP or INTJ as well. Keep in mind though that upbringing can affect people's reactions also. Eleanor was often teased for being a homely girl, which can turn even extroverts into shy, lonely people.

But yes, we digress. Still can't see Hitler as anything but an ENTJ. I could no more imitate his speaking style than fly to the moon.

Erm,the 1% comment was a joke tagged on to a question.the joke being that no one wants hitlar in their type so you give him to the minority so that the majority dont kick up a fus.im inclined to agree with tea buiscuit and say he was an alien. i wasnt actualy bringing statistics into the question.i was just interested in if people felt retrospective typeing of famous or infamous individuals could be trusted.
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Originally Posted by tealeaf

i was just interested in if people felt retrospective typeing of famous or infamous individuals could be trusted.

It really can't be - but then again, one could argue the MBTI theory itself, even as applied to everyday individuals, suffers the same trust issues. People often can't figure out their own types let alone types of others, including famous past figures like Hitler. We're all just speculating here and judging on what we have observed, which is but a limited perspective of other people's lives.

The MBTI theory will always suffer from doubt unless it's one day proved to have a genetic basis that is testable and verifiable.

Originally Posted by kdm1984

By that singular description, she could have been an INTP or INTJ as well. Keep in mind though that upbringing can affect people's reactions also. Eleanor was often teased for being a homely girl, which can turn even extroverts into shy, lonely people.

But yes, we digress. Still can't see Hitler as anything but an ENTJ. I could no more imitate his speaking style than fly to the moon.

Well of course there's more to it than that, I just wanted to keep it minimal. Based on her contributions and life philosophies that she has said and written I can't see her not being an INFJ.