Abraham Lincoln: INTJ?

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This is a discussion on Abraham Lincoln: INTJ? within the Guess the type forums, part of the What's my personality type? category; So I've noticed that for some reason President Lincoln is consistently typed as either INTP or ENTP. However, as much ...

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    ENTP - The Visionaries


    Abraham Lincoln: INTJ?

    So I've noticed that for some reason President Lincoln is consistently typed as either INTP or ENTP. However, as much as I'd love to claim him as one of my own, it doesn't seem right to me at all. The biggest reason for this is that I am all but certain he was a primary Ni user. The man literally predicted his own death in a dream, and had another recurring dream that took place on the eve of nearly every major event and battle of the Civil War. If that's not Ni, I don't know what is. The man seemed to just "know" things on a subconscious level in a way I could only dream of. Moreover, auxiliary Te makes a lot of sense as well. Watching the movie Lincoln, it is clear that the man knew how to make a goal or idea a reality, and knew how to be an excellent leader and organizer. He also seemed to have very strong personal values and convictions, not so much that they would cloud his judgement, but enough to form a strong moral compass, so tertiary Fi makes sense as well. For instance, he personally hated slavery with a passion, yet he was still initially willing to compromise on the issue with the South in order to preserve the Union and prevent war, showing an ability to make tough decisions as a leader and distinguish between his own beliefs and what was best for the nation. Almost everything about him screams INTJ. So I have to wonder: Why does everyone seem to think he is an xNTP? Would an xNTP (other than perhaps Thomas Jefferson) even have enough follow-through and drive to be elected President in the first place? What is it that I am missing here? Or am I right and Lincoln was totally an INTJ? Discuss.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    There's a thread about him here. Looks like Sparky's the only person who agrees with you on him being INTJ. Ouch.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Velasquez View Post
    There's a thread about him here. Looks like Sparky's the only person who agrees with you on him being INTJ. Ouch.
    Thank you for linking that thread, because I tend to Google before creating a new one, just in case someone already made a similar thread.

    I am sure many others agree Lincoln was INTJ, just that they have not spoken out about it.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Thank you for linking that thread, because I tend to Google before creating a new one, just in case someone already made a similar thread.

    I am sure many others agree Lincoln was INTJ, just that they have not spoken out about it.
    I asked you why you thought he was INTJ in that other thread, and you never responded.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Velasquez View Post
    I asked you why you thought he was INTJ in that other thread, and you never responded.
    We have already argued about typing based on looks. If you want the details, read what Debaser has to say, or come up with how someone is INTJ, and support that with evidence from Lincoln's life.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser View Post
    For instance, he personally hated slavery with a passion, yet he was still initially willing to compromise on the issue with the South in order to preserve the Union and prevent war, showing an ability to make tough decisions as a leader and distinguish between his own beliefs and what was best for the nation.
    Lincoln disliked slavery, and he disliked even more the thought of an Union breakup, so he did have stronger, inner convictions or values.

    Would an xNTP (other than perhaps Thomas Jefferson) even have enough follow-through and drive to be elected President in the first place?
    Thomas Jefferson was likely INTJ as well.

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    ENTP - The Visionaries


    Quote Originally Posted by Velasquez View Post
    There's a thread about him here. Looks like Sparky's the only person who agrees with you on him being INTJ. Ouch.
    Well now I'm thinking he's XXXX and that the man broke the MBTI system.

    But seriously, I just KNOW he was Ni dominant, and I will continue to think so until I hear some solid evidence to the contrary. I'm willing to entertain INFJ, but I have serious doubts about any kind of P. Come on people. Where's the discussion? I want some analytical reasoning and armchair psychology here. Even that old thread you linked to had practically no real discussion.

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    ENTP - The Visionaries


    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Lincoln disliked slavery, and he disliked even more the thought of an Union breakup, so he did have stronger, inner convictions or values.
    I'm aware. I was just using that as an example of his making a tough decision that was going to bother him no matter what.

    Thomas Jefferson was likely INTJ as well.
    Hmm... It seems like the further back in history we go, the harder it is to be sure of stuff like that. But from what I've read about Thomas Jefferson, he was almost certainly an Ne user of some kind, and some of his beliefs and behaviors fit more in line with the typical INTP than INTJ. However, I've heard some stuff that makes me consider the possibility that he was a J. But because of that Ne, and I'm guessing Ti as well, I doubt it.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Hang on a second...

    OP, you're typing Abraham Lincoln based on a dramatised version of him that you saw in a film?

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    ENTP - The Visionaries


    Quote Originally Posted by Velasquez View Post
    Hang on a second...

    OP, you're typing Abraham Lincoln based on a dramatised version of him that you saw in a film?
    Nope. I've seen the film, yes, but I am something of a Civil War buff who has read a number of non-fiction books, taken classes, all sorts of things on Lincoln and the time period. I was using the film, which is pretty accurate by the way, as a popular example.


 
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