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This is a discussion on Dexter within the Guess the type forums, part of the What's my personality type? category; Seems appropriate with the new and FINAL season premiering on June 30th. Let's get on with it. I'll just do ...

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Dexter

    Seems appropriate with the new and FINAL season premiering on June 30th. Let's get on with it. I'll just do the two main characters. I wanna see what people come up with for the rest of the serial killer types.

    Dexter Morgan - ISTJ
    Debra Morgan - ESFP
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Really? No love for this show?

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    Unknown Personality


    @ThatOneWeirdGuy

    Dexter? an ISTJ? that would imply he uses Fi

    i think that's silly.

    He's so good at using Fe with everyone, i wanna say ENFJ... even though murder it goes against everything i understand about ENFJs

    are you thinking TJ because he's so good at planning ahead?

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by like hella days View Post
    @ThatOneWeirdGuy

    Dexter? an ISTJ? that would imply he uses Fi

    i think that's silly.

    He's so good at using Fe with everyone, i wanna say ENFJ... even though murder it goes against everything i understand about ENFJs

    are you thinking TJ because he's so good at planning ahead?
    You're kidding, right? He's a sociopath. He fakes Fe and the only sort of emotional experience he ever gets is from Fi, so it would make sense that is in his tertiary (weakest).

    And he's also quite terrible at "using Fe," although it goes unnoticed by all the other characters. His awkwardness used to be a decent source of comedy in the show, prior to season 5.

    I'm thinking "TJ" and more specifically, ISTJ, because of his overwhelming use of Si, along with inferior Ne when put in a situation that calls for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOneWeirdGuy View Post
    You're kidding, right? He's a sociopath. He fakes Fe and the only sort of emotional experience he ever gets is from Fi, so it would make sense that is in his tertiary (weakest).
    No I'm not kidding. I disagree and I don't think he uses Fi. I think what you see as Fi is Si.

    I don't think he fakes Fe. His perfectly awkward performance IS Fe. Fe is an emotional understanding of the external world... if he can mask his homicidal urges enough to seem normal, then he emotionally understands what people expect of him.

    I like to view Fi users as understanding sympathy
    and Fe users as empathizer.

    How can a murderer have sympathy... he would commit suicide in shame and guilt

    So what I'm getting at is that he doesn't use Fe in the standard sense of kindly empathizing with people. He feels their feelings and uses that to decide how to communicate with them. He's extremely talented at using Fe.

    He uses Fe in the least normative way... do decide if someone is a lying and evil bastard and whether or not he wants to kill them....

    I can agree with your idea of Si. The recollections of his childhood are an example.

    What about ISTP?

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by like hella days View Post
    How can a murderer have sympathy... he would commit suicide in shame and guilt
    You obviously have no idea what empathy or sympathy even is, or are getting the two mixed up.

    Sympathy

    a : an affinity, association, or relationship between persons or things wherein whatever affects one similarly affects the other
    b : mutual or parallel susceptibility or a condition brought about by it

    c : unity or harmony in action or effect <every part is in complete sympathy with the scheme as a whole — Edwin Benson>


    Empathy
    1
    : the imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it

    2
    : the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this

    Not to mention, your view of Fe and Fi are complete over-simplifications, and just inaccurate.


    Quote Originally Posted by like hella days View Post
    No I'm not kidding. I disagree and I don't think he uses Fi. I think what you see as Fi is Si.

    I don't think he fakes Fe. His perfectly awkward performance IS Fe. Fe is an emotional understanding of the external world... if he can mask his homicidal urges enough to seem normal, then he emotionally understands what people expect of him.
    He vaguely understands them through abstract and logical understandings, having a strict code of what Harry taught him, and not being completely retarded. He even blatantly says himself that he doesn't understand *insert social norm here.*

    Quote Originally Posted by like hella days View Post

    I can agree with your idea of Si. The recollections of his childhood are an example.
    "recollections" have nothing to do with Si.

    Quote Originally Posted by like hella days View Post

    What about ISTP?
    Hell no. As already expressed, he does not use Fe at all.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    I'm going to go with ISTJ.

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    I understand what sympathy and empathy are and it seems you understand what i meant unless you wouldn't have been able to continue discussion with me. thanks for the definitions anyway....

    I live with a house full of Si. I know Si. I don't think it's necessary to derail this thread and talk about how much Si has to do with "recollections". Because of this, i think it would be conscientious to involve my irl experiences with Si users along side you own knowledge.

    -----okay- Aha moment just happened- and now i'm going to stop discussing this Fe/Fi with you and I think you'll identify with why

    You're an INTP... (by saying so, i'm not trying to get personal, just saying that i think you can understand multiple concepts at a time) or at least that's the image I'm getting from the way you're describing your perspective toward dexter. I've read some of your other posts, and in general, you make great points toward whatever strikes your fancy that you decide to discuss.

    So here's what we may alsooo discuss

    Is a murderous sociopath, in terms of MBTI, a personality that lacks both Fe AND Fi?

    Maybe Dexter truly feels nothing and what we see as his feelings are just his thoughtful opinions and philosophy. Maybe we want to decide if he uses Fe or Fi because (as people with feelings) we want to be able to understand something we can't experience at all

    Meaning that... Could this be how we describe the hole in his personality? The MBTI way of describing a personality disorder. A murderer?

    If we gave them any type at all, it may need foot notes to describe the irregularity

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    Unknown Personality


    oh my god i'm not going to lie i'm craving your insight please indulge me

    *puppy dog face

    never really works but worth a try

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by like hella days View Post
    I understand what sympathy and empathy are and it seems you understand what i meant unless you wouldn't have been able to continue discussion with me. thanks for the definitions anyway....

    I live with a house full of Si. I know Si. I don't think it's necessary to derail this thread and talk about how much Si has to do with "recollections". Because of this, i think it would be conscientious to involve my irl experiences with Si users along side you own knowledge.

    -----okay- Aha moment just happened- and now i'm going to stop discussing this Fe/Fi with you and I think you'll identify with why

    You're an INTP... (by saying so, i'm not trying to get personal, just saying that i think you can understand multiple concepts at a time) or at least that's the image I'm getting from the way you're describing your perspective toward dexter. I've read some of your other posts, and in general, you make great points toward whatever strikes your fancy that you decide to discuss.

    So here's what we may alsooo discuss

    Is a murderous sociopath, in terms of MBTI, a personality that lacks both Fe AND Fi?

    Maybe Dexter truly feels nothing and what we see as his feelings are just his thoughtful opinions and philosophy. Maybe we want to decide if he uses Fe or Fi because (as people with feelings) we want to be able to understand something we can't experience at all

    Meaning that... Could this be how we describe the hole in his personality? The MBTI way of describing a personality disorder. A murderer?

    If we gave them any type at all, it may need foot notes to describe the irregularity
    Without a true understanding of Si from various works though, you only "know" Si from your own personal interpretations (probably from some sources that I would consider to be complete bullshit).

    ___

    About the Fi and Fe thing, that's a very interesting question. But I think it's obvious that Dexter is intended to have something 'human' deep inside his 'monster' and 'dark passenger.' This first shows in season 4 and has since grown stronger in the writing. I think they have largely been intrapersonal and about how Dexter feels about certain relationships. This emotional connection also only stems out to those close to him. Rita, Astor, Cody, Harrison, and Deb.

    This still does pose an interesting question, though. The answer, IMO, is no. I think it is widely thought in the Jungian-based typology community that in order to actively "use" a function (or whatever equivalent) in one's psyche, it has to be a preference. You want to use it and are accustomed to. It feels natural. You understand it from a completely abstract and inexplicable way.

    So to "use" Fe, it must feel natural and understand it from an emotional perspective. For Dexter, his behavior resembling Fe has always been a tool. It is camouflage, Harry's code, and survival. Whenever he is having social troubles, it always comes down to - in his inner monologue with himself and/or Harry - his survival and 'blending-in,' or from season 4 and on, the safety of those close to him. He brings donuts to work so people will like him. But not because he cares. Because he needs to seem normal in order to fullfill Harry's Code and survive, which means blending-in and being a well-disguised wolf among sheep.


 
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