Carl Jung

I consider him Ni dom. Just go over to INTP forums and you'll find responses of INTPs asking other types why they came to them for advice on people relations, stating that they aren't the best type to give this kind of advice. It is Ni-Fe combination that allows you to see already existing patterns in people's behavior and Ni-Ti combination that proceeds to build a system/model out of what you have observed.

INTP for sure.

he explains like the whole book 'psychological types' how he got to the conclusions that he got with these types and the reasoning is clearly from the mind of INTP, not INTJ. also he criticizes older forms of typology, explains whats wrong with them and how they should be, just like an INTP would.

the whole concept of creating these psychological types is INTP type of behavior, not INTJ. INTJ uses factual data and forms them into a concept, jung created theories about different things and reasoned them, just like an INTP would.

darwin is a good example how a brilliant INTJ mind works. he looked for evidence on how things are(used factual information) and constructed these facts into a new concept. INTP mind does this the other way; creates theories on how things might be and then reasons those theories to find out if they work or not.

"One can see in Jung’s body of work, for example, his long struggle to invent terms for what he Intuited about archaic levels of the human mind. Even when he had settled on words like ‘archetype’ and ‘collective unconscious’, he spent the better part of his life attempting to work out their coneptual limits.”

actually what he did was redefine the existing terms, because they werent accurate enough, for his usage or other peoples usage. he could not explained his theories without correct terms, because they are so complex and because he wanted to define his theories soooo accurately that there could be no misinterpretations about them, if the reader understands what he said and the terms he used. this type of ultimate accuracy on terms and and saying things in a way that leaves no room for misinterpretations is again INTP type of behavior.

if you dont take my word, about every list of famous INTPs made by professionals, list jung in them..

There are 2 Ni doms INTJ and INFJ, INFJ have Ti as a tertiary function, INTJs aux Te, its more likely that if he was a Ni dom he would have been INFJ. Psychology is a very strong subject for INFJs so I'm not entirely sure why it is presumed that an INTJ would be taken as a preference over INFJ in this field other than through some kind of bias.

No, INFJ. The Ni + Ti that's evident in his work plus the orientation toward people pinpoints INFJ.

I'm sorry, INTP's, but you can't have him.

Originally Posted by SuperunknownVortex

No, INFJ. The Ni + Ti that's evident in his work plus the orientation toward people pinpoints INFJ.

I'm sorry, INTP's, but you can't have him.

INFJ uses Ti different way than an INTP does, jung uses Ti clearly the INTP way. Ne Ti is so obvious from his work.

i could write book about why he is an INTP with examples, but many people on this forum seems to have no idea and most wont even try to understand, so i cba to do it

Originally Posted by Naama

INFJ uses Ti different way than an INTP does, jung uses Ti clearly the INTP way. Ne Ti is so obvious from his work.

i could write book about why he is an INTP with examples, but many people on this forum seems to have no idea and most wont even try to understand, so i cba to do it

Oh, you INTPs. You can't seem to take humor very well. Develop your Fe! : )

Now, it's very clear that Jung used Ti.

But Ne. I'm not sure. Perhaps with more clarity we can pursue the issue further. Fe can, indeed, be confused with Ne.

Originally Posted by SuperunknownVortex

Oh, you INTPs. You can't seem to take humor very well. Develop your Fe! : )

Now, it's very clear that Jung used Ti.

But Ne. I'm not sure. Perhaps with more clarity we can pursue the issue further. Fe can, indeed, be confused with Ne.

i got that you cant have him joke, i just didnt reply to it.

anyways, the way he creates a theory and then reasons it is Ne Ti. i thought i explained fairly well earlier why i think he is an INTP. INFJ would do what INTJ does, but instead of using Te, he would use Fe to feed his Ni. the way jung writes it looks pretty robotic and pure rational, and about no sight of Fe.

Originally Posted by Naama

INFJ uses Ti different way than an INTP does, jung uses Ti clearly the INTP way. Ne Ti is so obvious from his work.

i could write book about why he is an INTP with examples, but many people on this forum seems to have no idea and most wont even try to understand, so i cba to do it

Jung observed already existing behavior in people. That is not Ne, that is Ni. This is the different that I have observed between Ni and Ne types is the Ne types are not able to easily take note of already existing patterns and unfolding processes. They observe it but do not interconnect it because their perceiving function is Si. They are much better at coming up with new ideas, new recombinations of variables, seeing what could be done, rather than observing what is already going on. In other words Ne types are conceptually always forward looking, looking at possibilities of what can be done rather than observing and building a model of what is already happening because this is job of Ni to do.

Originally Posted by Naama

the way jung writes it looks pretty robotic and pure rational, and about no sight of Fe.

INFJ males tend to be higher on the Ti function than females and have no problems in NT careers like IT (although they may find less satisfaction there). I met a professor recently whose group's main focus of research is to study how sensing works in other organisms and then build systems that would replicate it. He is prof at top research university in the states. His MBTI type is ENFJ - his Ni-Ti combination reflects very well what he is interested in doing in his career i.e. observing and studying how things (living things) already work in reality, and then building systems out of it. You should see some of the reviews and papers the guy publishes - they are very technical.

INFJ and ENFJ inner thinking process is dictated by Ni-Ti so I don't know why you expect to see Fe coming out of what we write. Fe gets greatly diminished or even vanishes when INFJ or ENFJ is introverting and thinking to themselves as in case of sitting writing out own internal thoughts. Fe is an extraverted feeling function meaning it needs its bearer to extravert, to be with other people, for it to get activated so to say. Certainly that is not the case when you are sitting thinking to yourself, hence the perceived almost robotic coldness you sense in his writing as Ni-Ti is not a warm fuzzy thinking process.

Originally Posted by vel

INFJ males tend to be higher on the Ti function than females and have no problems in NT careers like IT (although they may find less satisfaction there). I met a professor recently whose group's main focus of research is to study how sensing works in other organisms and then build systems that would replicate it. He is prof at top research university in the states. His MBTI type is ENFJ - his Ni-Ti combination reflects very well what he is interested in doing in his career i.e. observing and studying how things (living things) already work in reality, and then building systems out of it. You should see some of the reviews and papers the guy publishes - they are very technical.

Well said, vel. I agree. I have also noticed this trend amongst NFJ males. One of my male cousins is an ENFJ and is studying to be an engineer. Brilliant student. Top of his class at it. He's equally talented at social work and Feelery stuff, but is too ambitious to confine himself to a lower salary! Good on him, I say, if that's what he wants. (Interestingly, his ESFJ father also got involved in a stereotypically ST job and stayed in it for most of his time in the workforce.)

Originally Posted by vel

Jung observed already existing behavior in people. That is not Ne, that is Ni. This is the different that I have observed between Ni and Ne types is the Ne types are not able to easily take note of already existing patterns and unfolding processes. They observe it but do not interconnect it because their perceiving function is Si. They are much better at coming up with new ideas, new recombinations of variables, seeing what could be done, rather than observing what is already going on. In other words Ne types are conceptually always forward looking, looking at possibilities of what can be done rather than observing and building a model of what is already happening because this is job of Ni to do.


INFJ males tend to be higher on the Ti function than females and have no problems in NT careers like IT (although they may find less satisfaction there). I met a professor recently whose group's main focus of research is to study how sensing works in other organisms and then build systems that would replicate it. He is prof at top research university in the states. His MBTI type is ENFJ - his Ni-Ti combination reflects very well what he is interested in doing in his career i.e. observing and studying how things (living things) already work in reality, and then building systems out of it. You should see some of the reviews and papers the guy publishes - they are very technical.

INFJ and ENFJ inner thinking process is dictated by Ni-Ti so I don't know why you expect to see Fe coming out of what we write. Fe gets greatly diminished or even vanishes when INFJ or ENFJ is introverting and thinking to themselves as in case of sitting writing out own internal thoughts. Fe is an extraverted feeling function meaning it needs its bearer to extravert, to be with other people, for it to get activated so to say. Certainly that is not the case when you are sitting thinking to yourself, hence the perceived almost robotic coldness you sense in his writing as Ni-Ti is not a warm fuzzy thinking process.

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