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    ISFP - The Artists

    Les Miserables

    I was going to start this thread months ago but I figured I'd wait till the movie came out so that a wider group of people know what I'm on about :) I can't believe I couldn't find a thread on it.

    This is for the musical I guess...I haven't read the book but I've seen the movie and stage show.

    My (appalling) guesses:


    Jean Valjean: I have no idea. I've been tossing up between any IxxJ.
    Javert: ISTJ - the model ISTJ if there ever was one
    Fantine: Again not sure. Probably an I. I've seen IxFP around the net but I'm not sure
    Marius: IxFJ of some kind
    Cosette: No idea.
    Eponine: IxFP
    Enjorlas: ENTJ

    Any ideas guys? I absolutely love the musical :)



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    INTP - The Thinkers

    I know @ebullientcorner just finished the book? Still reading it? I think she said Enjorlas was ENTP? Javert obviously ISTJ (opposite type of Hugo... how appropriate)... I have no idea about the rest... the musical is not a good source, sadly... but the book, being enormous, probably is.

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    ESFP - The Performers

    Javert - ISTJ 1w9
    Fantine - ISFP 2w1
    Eponine - INFP?
    Marius - definite INFJ
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    I think Valjean seems like ESFJ or ISFJ. I mean, even that loaf of bread he stole was for his family. He goes out of his way to serve the community, keep his promise to Fantine, protect Cosette and then later Marius.
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    ISFP - The Artists

    I literally just started the book (still very near the opening...) but Valjean is definitely as SJ of some sort. I'm tempted to say he could be a T...not sure though. It'd be interesting if he was an ISFJ - makes him very similar to Javert...and there are similarities.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by arkigos View Post
    I know @ebullientcorner just finished the book? Still reading it? I think she said Enjorlas was ENTP? Javert obviously ISTJ (opposite type of Hugo... how appropriate)... I have no idea about the rest... the musical is not a good source, sadly... but the book, being enormous, probably is.
    Thanks @arkigos. It is my favorite book of all time by far. It is an absolute masterpiece. And as you seem to believe Hugo is an ENFP? as I do, he is a bit of my muse in my writing and soul pursuits etc.
    I am not joking when I say I have spent 3 hours chasing down every avenue on a single page in that book. I feel like I couldn't study it thoroughly enough in my life.


    Quote Originally Posted by BasketCase View Post
    I literally just started the book (still very near the opening...) but Valjean is definitely as SJ of some sort. I'm tempted to say he could be a T...not sure though. It'd be interesting if he was an ISFJ - makes him very similar to Javert...and there are similarities.
    Thanks for saying this. So, well, first, as you see above, I am a bit of a fan. It's such a ... I dunno. you are gonna dig it, but just don't rush yourself. Read slowly, and sink it in. He goes slow, and if anything probably tests patience most as he seemingly stops in the middle of the story for 40 page tangents. It all comes back together though.

    OK.
    Yes
    I agree with you that Val Jean is an ISTJ as is Javert. In the book, and I think that in the film Jackman touched on this a tiny bit, the thing that blew me away more than anything else was that in prison Hugo expressly states that Val Jean became a hardened and calloused man. (Rather than always being good and misunderstood and needing a friend.)
    Even after the priest forgives him in the book, he goes on the highway and robs a little child, a happy ten year old boy. He does this for no reason. He has been given enough to live on,redemption and he doesn't need the sous that the boy loved and was worth little to him. He made the boy cry and run away. Then after holding still and thinking in a frozen way for an hour or so, he comes to in a wild panic and tries to find the boy, desperate to give it back to him. It is then that he opens communication with God.
    The song that he sings in the musical is beautiful in that way in that he asks what he has become? It is a question both Javert and Val Jean ask themselves constantly through the story. Who are they, what is right? what is just? Both have difficulty in acceptance of themselves, allowing for their own comfort, and sacrifice for what they think their duty is. Hugo parallels their lives purposefully and their personalities purposefully. In the end, Jean Val Jean forgave his failings with in, became more within himself, fulfilled the charitable role he sacrificed his life for and allowed God into his heart. In the converse way, Javert could not love himself and allow for imperfection and killed himself in the name of his failed ideals.

    Ha okay.
    Enroljas, the confusing aspect of him, I believe is that of Grantaire. Grantaire was his drunken, nihilistic friend who believed little in hope. He was enamored with Enrojas, though he did not seem to buy into his ideals. I believe his influence is what gives Enroljas his ENTP vibe. But, no. I think that Enroljas was either an ENFP, or probably more likely, an ESFP. An ENFP would play more the diplomat, but an ESFP would call to action, rally the troops and make the thoroughfare, I think.
    He was surrounded by his band of intellectuals and given a rounding out of ideals. (Though the rationalism of the revolt wasn't entirely intellectually sound). He also did not understand Marius' idealism and had a subjective moral structure.
    This really happened btw, it is called the June Rebellion and was in 1830. It was started by Bonapartists and Republicans. 800 people were killed over about 2 days- and even happened on Lamarque's death.

    Fantine- ISFJ She was shy. Use of Fe- emotional appeal as opposed to Fi. In the book, when she is dumped by the idiot, she appealed rather than bitched out. When she was fired she appealed, lost her belongings in poverty she appealed. Even when getting arrested she appealed. I think the only other real choice that could fit would be ISFP, and I think ISFJ because of Fe, but I am open, but only slightly.
    She was also always a very hard and dutiful worker. She accepted the judgments of others.

    Cosette- Cosette is more difficult because she is more of a plot device in a lot of ways in my eyes than a person: a goal, a safe keep, duty, purity, love. She embodies everything in the novel that the characters and the reader need to pay attention to. Everything is turned toward her. Cosette is neither an S nor an N, an I nor an E. She has shown qualities of all through out the book. Perhaps the only constant quality I could possibly attribute to her is F. But, other than that, she is what Hugo needs her to be, either as an abused, scared, but trusting chind, dutiful and brave in the convent, having her memory swiped, falling for Marius and playing the blushing bride... It's all ...I just think that she a theme. That is all.

    Marius-INFP. *sigh. I am getting tired, and this is one that I have endless endless proof on, but I don't have time to explain right now. If you guys are curious just quote it and I can do it tomorrow :)

    Thenardier- Evil ESTP. In the book his is much more of a central figure, a bit scarier ( actually quite a bit in that he is not a clown).

    Mme Thenardier-ESTJ Te, Te, Te. In the worst way in the world. She is very put together in caring for her children and they seemed very happy and cared for, which is the reason that prompted and promoted so much trust from Fantine to leave three year old Cosette with her on the road while she was looking for work.

    Eponine- ESFJ. The way she is portrayed developing her Fe and Ni as a child to the way she is as an adult. But of course, Eponine is in a terrifyingly abnormal, abusive and traumatizing home and does not the normal ENFJ make. Her and her sister were not prompted into -empathy- as children, where Cosettes show a great deal of it at that age. I think that in any abusive home a child is allowed to be more free in as much as they are cute and useful, but then times got tough and she became a burden. Marius became the only person basically to ever be truly kind to her and that she saw as intrinsically good.at least in the book I feel that way. In the musical she feels more like a P.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    @ebullientcorner: Wow. I believe that you when you say you are a fan!

    So, based on the book, you say:

    ISTJ Jean Valjean
    ISTJ Javert
    ESFP Enroljas
    ISFJ Fantine
    N/A Cosette
    INFP Marius
    ESTP Thenardier
    ESTJ Mme Thenardier
    ESFJ Eponine

    I know these are all based on the books. You mentioned the musical a bit as well...

    Enroljas is pretty intense and idealistic in the musical... but I think it might still be consistent with ESFP - Se calls for action, inferior Ni whips it up into an idealistic whirlwind. If I am not mistaken, a lot of movement leaders are ESFP. Good call. Interesting.

    Valjean and Javert both ISTJ is very cool.

    I see what you mean with Fantine.

    What you said about Cosette is fascinating. I think that in this most recent movie she came across as an ISFJ... at least to me.

    Marius. I haven't read the book, but in the musical I'd call him another ESFP. I actually wanted to say ESFJ because of how much he sprays his emotions around and his moral obligations... but I blame the musical format for that. Not sure... but ESFP sounds right. A healthier one, but all the same. He must be very different in the book if you got INFP. Hrm.

    Thenardier - Yeah, sounds right.
    Mme Thenardier - That sounds right too... Te Si. Yeah.
    Eponine - Definitely SJ in musical, ESFJ sounds right on.

    Cool stuff.

    I think the only character in the musical I'd call an N type of any sort is Enroljas. However, after your points... I really think that ESFP nails it.
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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by arkigos View Post
    @ebullientcorner: Wow. I believe that you when you say you are a fan!

    Thank you!, I am, haha. Uh... :)
    Quote Originally Posted by arkigos View Post
    Enroljas is pretty intense and idealistic in the musical... but I think it might still be consistent with ESFP - Se calls for action, inferior Ni whips it up into an idealistic whirlwind. If I am not mistaken, a lot of movement leaders are ESFP. Good call. Interesting.
    Quote Originally Posted by arkigos View Post
    I think the only character in the musical I'd call an N type of any sort is Enroljas. However, after your points... I really think that ESFP nails it.
    Sweet. It kind of was an epiphany.
    In the musical I think he holds the banner of the ideal set. I identified with him. I think in the musical, all the characters are a lot more cut and dry and pure. ( I am NOT saying ENFP's are more pure than ESFP's by any stretch) But they morphed the revolt into all the sentiment of that time, all the injustice that was happening. Having Victor Hugo be an ENFP, they must have drawn heavily from the text, and pushed the characters together as Enroljas is really the only one who only get any face time. Except Gavroche (who I think IS actually an ENFP- and is you read any part of the novel in short- it might be fun just to read his exploits)

    I heavily identified with Enrojas' part as a young child from the music I stole from my much older sisters. I didn't understand anything, I didn't know the story, but I was enraptured.



    Quote Originally Posted by arkigos View Post
    I see what you mean with Fantine.
    Fantine was hard for me to type and was more a process of elimination. So, I am open to ideas.
    In much the way Cosette is a figure, Fantine is the audience. Fantine is the character that tears at the readers perceptions because of her innocence - especially in that time period of the culture's preconceived notions of wickedness which weren't puritanical to begin with, but the consequences were... if that makes sense. Hugo uses her to point out the hypocrisy of society both representing the reader and the reader's judgement simultaneously.


    Quote Originally Posted by arkigos View Post
    What you said about Cosette is fascinating. I think that in this most recent movie she came across as an ISFJ... at least to me.
    I thought about it for a long time, going over the different periods of her life and how different people interact with her and how they see her. She is the connection of it all. In the movie, I thought of her more as an ESFP. I think it is hard with ladies of the time. Introversion and extroversion thrown off.

    Quote Originally Posted by arkigos View Post
    Marius. I haven't read the book, but in the musical I'd call him another ESFP. I actually wanted to say ESFJ because of how much he sprays his emotions around and his moral obligations... but I blame the musical format for that. Not sure... but ESFP sounds right. A healthier one, but all the same. He must be very different in the book if you got INFP. Hrm.
    Okay, INFP, here we go...
    Marius, in the book, lived with his grandfather, who being a loyalist hated Marius' father, a Bonapartist. ( Fun Fact: Marius' Father fought in Waterloo and was pull out from under a bunch of people so that he could have his pockets looted by Thenardier who was looting the dead accidentally saving Marius' life. Hugo was shameless.)
    When Marius was young, his mother died, his Grandfather said he would disinherit Marius if his father had anything to do with him. Not wanting to ruin his son's chances, his father capitulated, but would go to mass and sit at a certain place so that he could just catch a glimpse of his growing son.
    Marius never knew the reason why his father is not there, nevertheless, he is instructed to write his father once a month. His grandfather never sends the letters.
    When he is told his father is dying when he is 18 he could have left immediately, but waits then takes a slower way in the morning. The whole while very avoidant, and broody. He arrives seconds after his father's death, but think that his father never wanted to know him anyway. In his practical life he acts like his father's death is of no real concern, but he thinks of it often.

    Then, he finds out about the truth, how his father sat at mass and loved him, how his grandfather lied and hid letters...

    So he looks his father up, in a ruminating style, thinking about it for a while. He finds out he is a war veteran, a highly decorated on in Napoleon's army, and HEAVILY idealizes him and begins to idol worship him. Very connected to his past, and even after finding the huge betrayal, it takes a big argument to make him leave. He cuts off all financial ties on principal and lives in poverty on principle. He is not eating, has thread bare clothes and could easily go to his aunt or grandfather in a moment, and have a huge amount of money, but he won't. And he also sort of idealizes this.

    When he is talked of it is him with his thoughts. If someone talks to him it is them interrupting him with his thoughts.
    He does not think of girls. He hadn't thought of a girl until Cosette and she struck him in a very romantic idealized way. He stalked her for 6 months just to be near her in the park. As a habit.
    He is very careful, and wasn't a quick fit or natural fit for the ABC Cafe.

    I think that is enough to start a dialogue...


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    Quote Originally Posted by arkigos View Post
    Eponine - Definitely SJ in musical, ESFJ sounds right on.
    I toyed with ENFJ. But yeah. ESFJ. She has the worst worst life. If there is anyone to feel bad for it is Eponine.
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