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  1. #11
    INTJ - The Scientists

    What about John? Sherlock's MBTI type will be hotly contested until the end of time, with most discussions devolving into fistfights (everyone wants to believe he's their type, hehe).
    I think John's an XXFP. Not too sure about him, though.

  2. #12
    Unknown Personality


    Quote Originally Posted by SherlyDEDUCE View Post
    What about John? Sherlock's MBTI type will be hotly contested until the end of time, with most discussions devolving into fistfights (everyone wants to believe he's their type, hehe).
    I think John's an XXFP. Not too sure about him, though.
    Archetype ISFJ.
    Some Ti usage, but he isn't dominant.
    Refer to the deduction of Carl Powers' shoes. Si, he misses little details as he gains impressions of the shoe and tries to link it back, presumably, with his own shoes - the laces are clean, well cared for. Written in.. but people don't write in their shoes (Si constructs) unless they're children.
    Inferior Ne - stressed out for a long period of time, he becomes impulsive. Also in ASIP, it is implied he might take his own life or something. Glossed over, but it's there.
    And as for 'impulsive'.. see: the entire of the Sherlock show.

    One ISFJ reported giving in to the urge to leave work in the middle of the day and go to the movies. An ISTJ made a spur-of-the-moment decision to buy a new computer before thoroughly researching the options. He returned the computer later, assessing the purchase as rash and foolish.
    Recognizing the Inferior Function in ISFJ
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  3. #13
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Ha, I'd certainly never claim any of the Sherlock characters for my type. The only Ne dom in the show is Moriarty, and he's ENTP.

    The reason I can't see Sherlock as INTP (though I degree on Ti dom, obviously) is that he doesn't take the same delight in abstract thought that an INTP does. Ti+Ne = exploring abstract ideas. The archetype is Einstein, who created an entirely new theory of relativity just by sitting at home and thinking about it. Sherlock doesn't care about ideas unless they're directly applicable to his work – he even deleted the Solar System!
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by featherfall View Post
    Ha, I'd certainly never claim any of the Sherlock characters for my type. The only Ne dom in the show is Moriarty, and he's ENTP.

    The reason I can't see Sherlock as INTP (though I degree on Ti dom, obviously) is that he doesn't take the same delight in abstract thought that an INTP does. Ti+Ne = exploring abstract ideas. The archetype is Einstein, who created an entirely new theory of relativity just by sitting at home and thinking about it. Sherlock doesn't care about ideas unless they're directly applicable to his work – he even deleted the Solar System!
    But I'm not an INTP. I think. Not exactly.

    Well, that depends on how you think about it. Shift perspectives a bit. His 'work' is less so his 'work' and more like the internet to us. I couldn't say for you, but I remember plenty of things I learned on the internet but none of the Econ topics I was lectured about today. That is because the internet is more interesting to me than circular flow models.. and Sherlock's 'work' is more interesting to him than the Solar System.

    Simply because he does not conform to the archetype doesn't mean he isn't one of the type. I fail to see tertiary Ni usage in him either, which ISTPs have. His recognition of sensory patterns, however, is tert Si-ish.
    Last edited by wisterias; 09-26-2012 at 04:43 PM. Reason: grahmurz
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  5. #15
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    I guess what it comes down to is Se-aux/Ni-tert dynamics vs. Ne-aux/Si-tert dynamics. I went through a similar process when I was trying to figure out whether I was ENTP or ENFP, except that time I was trying to figure out Ti-aux/Fe-tert vs. Fi-aux/Te-tert. I found this post this post particularly useful in that process, so I'll quote it.

    Extraverted Sensing
    We can be very tuned in to the surrounding environment, with anticipation of what’s coming next. We may constantly read our industry’s current news to be sure to catch the next wave of innovations. Or we can engage people in fun activities, drawing them out and helping them transform themselves. We might pull a shy person onto the dance floor, convinced that there is an inner dancer waiting to be released; that person experiences his or her potential firsthand. Or we might shape the current context to what we envision it can be, like a sculptor who can “see” the final statue within a chunk of marble and sculpts everything else away to get to it.
    Extraverted Intuiting
    We might interpret the meaning of a situation by relating it to images from the past. We see a pattern in the present moment, and in addition to imagining alternative scenarios we draw upon our memories of the past. This recollection enables us to explore many more situations at once. Similarly, an academic researcher might do extensive research and book study of those who have come before while exploring a theoretical problem. We might embrace the convenience of supportive institutions so that we can live more freely in a world of ideas. We might even dream up a novel way to do something and then establish it as a new tradition or reliable standard for society.
    So Ne-Si imagines alternative scenarios while referring back to an internal sensory map, while Se-Ni takes in sensory impressions and examines them from different angles with Ni. But instead of imagining alternative scenarios and ruling some out by checking them against an internal roadmap, I see Sherlock as more the type to take the same concrete evidence everyone else sees, in great detail (Se), then looking at it from an angle that no one else considered (Ni). Also that bit about actively engaging people in order to bring out hidden potential (in the Se description) reminds me of how Sherlock brought John on that chase through London in A Study in Pink because he saw John's psychosomatic limp and saw his potential to get over it by engaging his love of excitement and danger.

    I'm finding this all very interesting though, because I'd never thought much about how perception functions work in aux and tert positions.
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  6. #16
    INTP - The Thinkers

    "It was easier to know it than to explain why I know it. If you were asked to prove that two and two made four, you might find some difficulty, and yet you are quite sure of the fact."

    I am fairly certain that is intuition talking.
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  7. #17
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by featherfall View Post
    The reason I can't see Sherlock as INTP (though I degree on Ti dom, obviously) is that he doesn't take the same delight in abstract thought that an INTP does. Ti+Ne = exploring abstract ideas. The archetype is Einstein, who created an entirely new theory of relativity just by sitting at home and thinking about it. Sherlock doesn't care about ideas unless they're directly applicable to his work – he even deleted the Solar System!
    Inference, INTJ. This is how we think.
    "Is it relevant?" *keeps forever*
    "Irrelevant info?" *DELETE*

    INTJs like logically applicable thought more than abstract. It has to be for a purpose, always.

    On another note, I agree/disagree... I think Jim is an ambivert E/INTP.
    Could be INTP or ENTP IMO, but leaning toward I. Ever so slightly.

    And I'm probably wrong about John. He just reminds me of an ENFP I know, hence my theory. However, he is the Sherlock character I can understand the LEAST, so I’m not really sure about anything. I do, however, believe he’s an “E.” Although he doesn't talk much, I think he draws from external energy as per the traditional MBTI “E.” It can happen; I know quiet “E”s. (I’ve learned that amount of words spoken does not correlate well with E/I temperament… heck, I talk a lot, and there is no dispute as to me “I” ness.).

  8. #18
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffbobs View Post
    "It was easier to know it than to explain why I know it. If you were asked to prove that two and two made four, you might find some difficulty, and yet you are quite sure of the fact."

    I am fairly certain that is intuition talking.
    We're talking about BBC's Sherlock here, not Arthur Conan Doyle's original Sherlock Holmes. This is an important distinction, as I'm fairly sure ACD canon Sherlock Holmes is a different type from the BBC's version.
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  9. #19
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by featherfall View Post
    We're talking about BBC's Sherlock here, not Arthur Conan Doyle's original Sherlock Holmes. This is an important distinction, as I'm fairly sure ACD canon Sherlock Holmes is a different type from the BBC's version.
    Agreed.

    Some posters keep going back to "S" and attention to detail. Remember, MBTI is your personality, not intellectual aptitude. It's a WAY OF THINKING. “S” indicates a predilection for factual inferences rather than intuitive leaps, but it DOES NOT mean that an “S” type would be more likely to notice the world in Holmesian detail than an “N” type.
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  10. #20
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    I'm not really thinking about it in Myers-Briggs dichotomous terms – S vs. N – but in terms of functions. After all, Si and Se are very different functions, as Si is subjective and Se objective. Insofar as I have mentioned detail, I mean it in the sense that Sherlock likes to look at the detail that is present (Se) rather than the possibilities suggested by the details perceived (Ne). Simply put, I see a preference for Se, taking concrete evidence from moment to moment, in Sherlock over other perception functions.

    Similarly, I'm not typing characters as "E" or "I" based on the way they socialize or "draw energy." It's about the functions. An ISFJ can come off as both social and drawing energy from the environment because of auxiliary Fe. Extraverted Feeling is all about tuning in to other people, what they value and what they feel.


 
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