Celebrities and historical figures I think are really mistyped ENFPs

- Joan of Arc (as opposed to INFP)
- Hugh Hefner (as oppposed to ENTP)
- Dr Phil (as opposed to ESTJ)
- Dave Chappelle (as opposed to ENTP)



that said, I'm not 100% sure of any of these, so feel free to discuss

EDIT: I've changed my mind about Ke$ha

Care to explain why do you think they are/were ENFPs?

Originally Posted by aconite

Care to explain why do you think they are/were ENFPs?

which one(s) in particular would you like me to explain (I was too lazy to explain all of them all at once lol)

Originally Posted by Swordsman of Mana

which one(s) in particular would you like me to explain (I was too lazy to explain all of them all at once lol)

Joan of Arc, mostly. I find it hard to see her as anything but a Fi-dom.

So we're throwing Ke$ha and Dr. Phil into the same boat huh? Never thought I'd see the day

Originally Posted by MrShatter

So we're throwing Ke$ha and Dr. Phil into the same boat huh? Never thought I'd see the day

ENFP's are paradoxal and multifaceted, so I could see this being possible...especially comparing younger to older. Although I don't get Ne-Fi from K$sha personally, but I have never really paid any attention to anything she says, haha!

Originally Posted by aconite

Joan of Arc, mostly. I find it hard to see her as anything but a Fi-dom.

almost everything I can think of about her suggests extrovert
- have you ever met a 17 year old INFP? I've met several, and without exception, they were soft spoken, understated and subtle. Joan of Arc on the other hand was expansive, outspoken and aggressive
- she inspired armies of grown men and swayed them to fight for her (that says a lot about her outward expressiveness and charisma)
- she was a military commander as a 17 year old girl and won every single battle she fought
- fearlessly stood up to the most powerful men of her time, who were all much older and more educated than her (at her trial, she had to face several at once against just her) and held her ground formidably (this screams Ne/Te to me)
- pure Fi is usually extremely low key, non confrontational and downplayed; the charismatic hero who inspires the masses with fiery vengeance and conviction is more Fi+Te than it is Fi dom. Joan of Arc was adapt about pushing for the manifestation of her ideals in reality, using her Te.

I wouldn't say Fi was non confrontational... I mean it's non confrontational if you aren't violating the values but it could get very confrontational very quickly. Now, I don't know much about Joan of Arc so I wouldn't be able to make these calls but ENFPs definitely beat INFPs in the charisma field. Most of the time. Also you kinda have to look at it from a driving point of view. All introverts can seem like extraverts (especially in history) because the very nature of introversion is internal and therefore invisible. It's not a question of "did she use Ne very effectively" but was she driven by Ne (Change and possibilities) or was she driven by Fi (Defining and implementing values).

Originally Posted by Swordsman of Mana

almost everything I can think of about her suggests extrovert
- have you ever met a 17 year old INFP? I've met several, and without exception, they were soft spoken, understated and subtle. Joan of Arc on the other hand was expansive, outspoken and aggressive
- fearlessly stood up to the most powerful men of her time, who were all much older and more educated than her (at her trial, she had to face several at once against just her) and held her ground formidably (this screams Ne/Te to me)
-pure Fi is usually extremely low key, non confrontational and downplayed; the charismatic hero who inspires the masses with fiery vengeance and conviction is more Fi+Te than it is Fi dom. Joan of Arc was adapt about pushing for the manifestation of her ideals in reality, using her Te.

The bolded of what you said is pure Fi. Especially about the bit where she knows she is right even though multiple people are questioning her and she cuts down everyone with logical arguments. I think that's more of a case for Fi in general over Fe. Fi doms are dominant rationals who become very territorial when they are being questioned if their feelings, thoughts, ideas or beliefs are right.

As to Fi not being confrontational, being downplayed and being low key what you are actually referencing is the veener of Ne (and maybe Se not sure if that's the case for ISFP's) in INFP's. It's the extroverted face they give to the outside world to mask their inner feelings - that's why it's often said INFP's have an affable, childish or banal demeanor and why most are said to be pretty happy go lucky until you violate one of their values, then Fi (using Te) unexpectedly hits you in the face.

When Fi is riled up it becomes all of the things you are saying Te is, Te in a Fi-dom acts for Fi, it's Fi's dragon to protect it's inner ideals. A Fi dom in action can be very engaging, very competitive and very ego-manic which could be what you are thinking of as charisma or outspokeness. Fi-doms when they latch on to a purpose can be very much like a dog with a bone if it feels something is wrong with the situation it is in and wants to change it. INFP's have Te as well - there Te is strongly linked to their Fi because Te attacks for Fi. I would say the inferior functions act as a way to drive the dom one. Si pushes Ne in Ne-doms to continue to think forward as Ne becomes bored with the past and looks for a more arousing future, etc.

Originally Posted by MrShatter

I wouldn't say Fi was non confrontational... I mean it's non confrontational if you aren't violating the values but it could get very confrontational very quickly.

I agree with the above.

Originally Posted by Arrow

The bolded of what you said is pure Fi. Especially about the bit where she knows she is right even though multiple people are questioning her and she cuts down everyone with logical arguments. I think that's more of a case for Fi in general over Fe. Fi doms are dominant rationals who become very territorial when they are being questioned if their feelings, thoughts, ideas or beliefs are right.

As to Fi not being confrontational, being downplayed and being low key what you are actually referencing is the veener of Ne (and maybe Se not sure if that's the case for ISFP's) in INFP's. It's the extroverted face they give to the outside world to mask their inner feelings - that's why it's often said INFP's have an affable, childish or banal demeanor and why most are said to be pretty happy go lucky until you violate one of their values, then Fi (using Te) unexpectedly hits you in the face.

When Fi is riled up it becomes all of the things you are saying Te is, Te in a Fi-dom acts for Fi, it's Fi's dragon to protect it's inner ideals. A Fi dom in action can be very engaging, very competitive and very ego-manic which could be what you are thinking of as charisma or outspokeness. Fi-doms when they latch on to a purpose can be very much like a dog with a bone if it feels something is wrong with the situation it is in and wants to change it. INFP's have Te as well - there Te is strongly linked to their Fi because Te attacks for Fi. I would say the inferior functions act as a way to drive the dom one. Si pushes Ne in Ne-doms to continue to think forward as Ne becomes bored with the past and looks for a more arousing future, etc.

I have never seen an Fi dom like this. they do get angry, they do internally want do these things, but externally, they are usually extremely frustrated and confused about what to do about it, and their Te is not closely linked to their Fi as it is in the ENFP. it generally takes a very long for Te to develop in INFPs, but lots of ENFPs will have some access to it in their teens. INFPs don't have the directive abilities, aggression and expansive energy of an ENFP with strong Te.
PS: I actually picture Joan of Arc being kinda like @Chipps