Gender equality will never be achieved.

Originally Posted by zynthaxx

Would gender equality?
If we're striving to achieve impossible goals from the start, let's at least strive for the best goal available.

We can always change society, and societies have always eventually become more progressive, even if they do sometimes lurch back in unstable times.

Originally Posted by skycloud86

Many people don't need marriage to commit themselves to each other, but when it comes to the need for equality, that need isn't the same as when someone uses the word to describe what they want ("I really need a pizza", or "I really need to watch that film"), and yes, it isn't the same "need" used to describe things that keep us alive, such as breathing, but you can't just downgrade the need to equality to the same level as someone's want disguised as a need.

What is so wrong with saying "I want gender equality for the world because it would make the world a better place" over the lie of "I need gender equality like the sun needs hydrogen and helium gases"

Originally Posted by skycloud86

The desire for sex isn't the same for all members of one sex.

I have never claimed such thing to be true, however people act upon what group someone belongs to, and not on the individual itself.
That's why there are any groups in the first place. Groups being male/female/hetero/straight/black/white/ ...

Wait, we don't need gender equality? It isn't life or death?

For a woman, it certainly is. For a woman, gender equality IS needed. Cetanu, the problem I was attempting to address in your way of thinking is that from everything you have said, you are clearly speaking from a man's point of view without consideration of the woman's side.

How much does Saudi Arabia hate women? So much so that 15 girls died in a school fire in Mecca in 2002, after “morality police” barred them from fleeing the burning building — and kept firefighters from rescuing them — because the girls were not wearing headscarves and cloaks required in public. And nothing happened. No one was put on trial. Parents were silenced.
​from Mona Eltahawy’s Why Do They Hate Us?

“A woman’s worst nightmare? That’s pretty easy. Novelist Margaret Atwood writes that when she asked a male friend why men feel threatened by women, he answered, “They are afraid women will laugh at them.” When she asked a group of women why they feel threatened by men, they said, “We’re afraid of being killed.”

—	A Woman's Worst Nightmare

Originally Posted by Cetanu

What is so wrong with saying "I want gender equality for the world because it would make the world a better place" over the lie of "I need gender equality like the sun needs hydrogen and helium gases"

Firstly, who exactly is lying? Secondly, your sun example is an attempt to make the needs of underprivileged groups look more like wants.

If, like most people, you equate equality with sameness, then no, men and women will never be equal, because they are never going to be the same (some feminist minds blatantly deny these differences, but they are delusional). I however don't think equality and sameness are synonymous, therefore I think gender equality is possible.

Originally Posted by ghenwa

Wait, we don't need gender equality? It isn't life or death?

For a woman, it certainly is. For a woman, gender equality IS needed. Cetanu, the problem I was attempting to address in your way of thinking is that from everything you have said, you are clearly speaking from a man's point of view without consideration of the woman's side.

How much does Saudi Arabia hate women? So much so that 15 girls died in a school fire in Mecca in 2002, after “morality police” barred them from fleeing the burning building — and kept firefighters from rescuing them — because the girls were not wearing headscarves and cloaks required in public. And nothing happened. No one was put on trial. Parents were silenced.
​from Mona Eltahawy’s Why Do They Hate Us?

“A woman’s worst nightmare? That’s pretty easy. Novelist Margaret Atwood writes that when she asked a male friend why men feel threatened by women, he answered, “They are afraid women will laugh at them.” When she asked a group of women why they feel threatened by men, they said, “We’re afraid of being killed.”

—	A Woman's Worst Nightmare

Lol.

Do you even understand what you just posted about?

You think the above is all about gender?

Let me ask you something.
Do you think that the Islamic faith might have to be altered in order to achieve gender equality?

So what are you trying to discuss here, religion, or gender?

Originally Posted by skycloud86

Firstly, who exactly is lying? Secondly, your sun example is an attempt to make the needs of underprivileged groups look more like wants.

Did you not answer my question on purpose or was it an accident? It wasn't important enough for you?

Originally Posted by Cetanu

Did you not answer my question on purpose or was it an accident? It wasn't important enough for you?

There's nothing wrong with saying that, but as I said in my earlier reply to that post of yours, you're assuming that the need for gender equality is nothing more than a want and claiming to prove that by showing an example of a need that is completely different.

Originally Posted by Swordsman of Mana

If, like most people, you equate equality with sameness, then no, men and women will never be equal, because they are never going to be the same (some feminist minds blatantly deny these differences, but they are delusional). I however don't think equality and sameness are synonymous, therefore I think gender equality is possible.

Just because you call them delusional, doesn't mean that they are, and most such differences are either generalisations or caused by societal conditioning and gender roles. Yes, there are some differences, but very few can be found that separate all men from all women, and that's before we bring gender identity and transsexuality into it.

Originally Posted by Cetanu

Lol.

Do you even understand what you just posted about?

You think the above is all about gender?

Let me ask you something.
Do you think that the Islamic faith might have to be altered in order to achieve gender equality?

So what are you trying to discuss here, religion, or gender?

Let me ask you. Do you even understand what I'm posting about?

So let me get this straight. Gender equality is what we're going for, right? So, what causes gender inequality? Not the genders being inherently unequal, but because of the way the genders are treated and viewed in society. Now, in society, if women are not acting the same way in which they are 'meant to' according to society, then they are, in this case, killed. If women even try to speak out against the rules set for them, then they are killed. In this case, the women involved were acting on par to that of a man, but no, that won't do! They're female and therefore must act feminine according to their society.

Tell me how exactly that has nothing to do with gender.

Look, every faith, by itself, great. But the way people act on their faith? Letting people die because they weren't following some rule that, quite frankly, does not deserve those type of consequences?

Also, good job, cutting down them branches. Let's look at that tree.

I answered your question. Gender equality is needed, because it does decide life or death. I think, maybe in the far future, gender equality may be possible. We've come a long way. The problem is now the subtleties. Have the differences and injustices gone away? No, now they're just operating on a more complex level. The way we're going now, we can't even tell what's a problem and what's an improvement. It's too early to rule it out as impossible, but if it ever does happen it's gonna be a while.

Originally Posted by Swordsman of Mana

If, like most people, you equate equality with sameness, then no, men and women will never be equal, because they are never going to be the same (some feminist minds blatantly deny these differences, but they are delusional). I however don't think equality and sameness are synonymous, therefore I think gender equality is possible.

Have to agree. The genders will never be the same, the problem is respecting the differences. It's the same with race: colorblindness doesn't eradicate racism, it only makes other people ignorant to it. The problem, I believe, is that the qualities associated with males and females, namely masculinity and femininity, are viewed completely differently. One is respected, and the other is not.