[TheRevaN]

So I feel like taking a shot at what women want(as short a list as possible-I will only list the ones that I think are very important).....

1.Most of all someone who makes them feel good (it doesn't matter how you pull this off)
2.A man that they respect (leadership,dominance,intelligence, self-control, style,confidence, etc)
3.A challenge (what comes easy has no value-that's why the hot and cold style works)

When it comes to women it's not as easy as "just be yourself". Personally from what I have seen women don't give a crap about who you really are, just who you seem to be. They don't want to hear about your problems, your "boring" life, your morals, your history,your friends or basically anything about you(that's why the mysterious guy thing works). They just want the 3 things above. They will look for the rest ONLY if they want a long lasting relationship with you. And that is sad. Feel free to argue with me but that is what I have noticed and also that is the thing that gave me succes with women. It does not matter if you are a great guy if you don't seem like much.



My opinion is that the ESTPs have huge succes because they seem to be the guys that can show them a good time. And yeah I am an ESTP that is no pimp. Maybe I will become one (truth is I have huge potential- I know myself when I am in a good mood), but I still shatter the myth that ESTPs are born with 10 women in bed.

[itsme45]

1.Most of all someone who makes them feel good (it doesn't matter how you pull this off)
2.A man that they respect (leadership,dominance,intelligence, self-control, style,confidence, etc)
3.A challenge (what comes easy has no value-that's why the hot and cold style works)

Well the first two points are good ones. I also want to provide those to my partner. (Making him feel good and being respectable etc.)

However, your third point is shit. I love challenges in life but when it comes to a relationship, the last thing I want is the hot-and-cold crap. Yea I know I've already had my diatribe in this thread about this.

When it comes to women it's not as easy as "just be yourself". Personally from what I have seen women don't give a crap about who you really are, just who you seem to be. They don't want to hear about your problems, your "boring" life, your morals, your history,your friends or basically anything about you(that's why the mysterious guy thing works). They just want the 3 things above. They will look for the rest ONLY if they want a long lasting relationship with you. And that is sad.

So? Go find a woman who is looking for a long lasting relationship. This rambling about stupid women is old and boring and it is just as easy for women to ramble about men in this way.

Maybe I will become one (truth is I have huge potential- I know myself when I am in a good mood), but I still shatter the myth that ESTPs are born with 10 women in bed.

Stupid myth. :D

[TheRevaN]

Well the first two points are good ones. I also want to provide those to my partner. (Making him feel good and being respectable etc.)

However, your third point is shit. I love challenges in life but when it comes to a relationship, the last thing I want is the hot-and-cold crap. Yea I know I've already had my diatribe in this thread about this.




So? Go find a woman who is looking for a long lasting relationship. This rambling about stupid women is old and boring and it is just as easy for women to ramble about men in this way.




Stupid myth. :D

Haha to bad I am not looking for a long lasting relationship :) (after all I am 20)

And maybe you don't understand what I mean by a challenge(Truth is I should clarify this). It does not mean playing it cool or hard to get. It means not being needy and not jumping to heavy flirting if she makes you a compliment. It means she has to work a little to get you. She will not get you if the only thing she does is stay there, smile and look nice.

[itsme45]

Haha to bad I am not looking for a long lasting relationship :) (after all I am 20)

And maybe you don't understand what I mean by a challenge(Truth is I should clarify this). It does not mean playing it cool or hard to get. It means not being needy and not jumping to heavy flirting if she makes you a compliment. It means she has to work a little to get you. She will not get you if the only thing she does is stay there, smile and look nice.

How about let's change "she" to "he". ;) Would you be OK with you having to work? If not, why not?

Also, if you're not looking for such a relationship, why complain then?

[TheRevaN]

Lol I never said it does not go both ways.
And I am not complaining I am just stating an ugly truth. And giving an advice.

[Carmine Ermine]

Lol I never said it does not go both ways.
And I am not complaining I am just stating an ugly truth. And giving an advice.

I also have the feeling that I've got a lot of potential. I've read something about a thing called "the illusion of potential", but the basic message from what I read about that was that this "potential" can only be unlocked via practice. So I think potential still exists, just like it does for an aspiring sportsman. I truly feel like I have a lot of potential to be unlocked, but when I'm actually "in the field" it's quite clear that I still need a lot of practice (no wonder, since yesterday was the first time I actually started going into pubs and talking to women). I've done enough theory on it now as far as I'm concerned, although any sharing of advice and stories is always welcome. at the moment I'm also inclined to think the 1st 2 points are the most important by far:

1.Most of all someone who makes them feel good (it doesn't matter how you pull this off)
2.A man that they respect (leadership,dominance,intelligence, self-control, style,confidence, etc)

The challenge thing would probably be unnecessary with those - if there's an awesome person who generates positive emotions everywhere he goes and commands respect at the same time, then it probably doesn't really matter if he's a challenge or not. The woman would simply feel really lucky to be talking to him and that would be enough.

[Brad Pitt]

Can I just say something carmine. Sometimes you just need to stop theorising and go out there and do it. You sem to be doing that which is good, but some of your previous posts are just imagining hypothetical scenarios and theories such as the one you just said and law of attraction, these are great but you're better off just doing it and working it out for yourself a you go

[itsme45]

Can I just say something carmine. Sometimes you just need to stop theorising and go out there and do it. You sem to be doing that which is good, but some of your previous posts are just imagining hypothetical scenarios and theories such as the one you just said and law of attraction, these are great but you're better off just doing it and working it out for yourself a you go

Yep I agree! I told him the same before :)

Carmine Ermine do you feel like you get tired of theorising at times?

[Boolean11]

Aren't ENTJs the alpha male that get all the women?

[Derosa90]

Can I just say something carmine. Sometimes you just need to stop theorising and go out there and do it. You sem to be doing that which is good, but some of your previous posts are just imagining hypothetical scenarios and theories such as the one you just said and law of attraction, these are great but you're better off just doing it and working it out for yourself a you go

Brad Pitt always gives good advice