[Nessie]

Originally Elvis 2010, (10-25-2011, 72 113 mental disabilities):
“Maenad, I have been working on MBTI and mental illness (God I hate that term) for years.”
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“I personally have experienced mania many times”
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“The combination of dysgraphia and bipolar intrigues me. I have seen dysgraphia with autism a lot, but most bipolars I know write fine. Maenad, what is going with you and the dysgraphia? Does it hurt to write?”
Originally Elvis2010, (8-31-2010, 29 108-estp-adhd-personality-type), answering Sarek, who said, that ADHD is genetically caused:
“No, it is not. This is another N proclamation. If ADD and ADHD's etiology is low dopamine, then why can't it be caused by the environment? Besides low iron, every antihistamine lowers dopamine.

Don't bother quoting an "expert". I already went through the "experts" on my post about AIDS and how wrong they were. Show me raw data.”
Originally Elvis2010, (12-11-2010, 38 991-guess-im-estp-2):
“Well, obviously, you do care about it and feel that it makes you different. All ADHD is a genetic condition whereby the brain makes less dopamine.”

Elvis 2010, you clearly didn’t realized, what we are speking here.
I was speaking JUST AND ONLY cases, when you YOURSELF know, that you were OUT, and you didn’t bother repaiir what have you done in thread where you have done it. You hope, that it escapes attention, but you are very wrong. I don’t skip from topic to topic, don’t worry. Repairing all stuff Ill spend holliday, but Im speaking just cases you have chance repair NONSENSE yourself and you didn’t.
You are claiming to study mentall illness FOR YEARS and you are claiming yourself DOCTOR.
What happened between 8-31-2010 and 12-11-2010? You becamed N? You bothered quoting an expert, and expert was laughing at you, because EVEN KIDS, who are friends of ADDer know, that it is genetic? Sure they know. Reason why is, that if some child in familly is diagnosed with ADD, they question other kids without problems as well, because it is genetic. The only one who camed with ADD in nearer contact and is claiming its not genetic is Elvis2010. Besides, you clerly mix REAL ADD and conditions which could MIMIC ADD, which isnt same thing. For example this with low iron is listed in some lists of over 50 conditions which could mimic ADD.
And If you have knowledge about ADD, you never would argument with such stupidity, that I was just saying unjustified statement. Point is, that I was recomending to google for condition you had clearly no idea about 1-14-2012 already. In case, that you know this condition (I posted it to mental disabilities), your instinct would say you long time ago, that I would be able to identify, that you havent clue. No Elvis, it doesn’t necessarily hurts to write, you just werent informed enough to make advice from possition of a doctor.

[Nessie]

You lost me, why does @elvis2010 need to show you his degree? Why does anyone need to

show you a degree? Also as ESTPs we are terrible at school. I went to book signings of Eric Foner, Doris Kearns Goodwin, David McCollough, if it was a historian I saw them, because I wanted to be a historian too. Well my dream of replacing Arther Schleshinger Jr. kind of sputtered out when I couldn't finish my associate degree because of math, foreign language. Still, I'm versed in history, I read a lot of American History books. I know my stuff. Here at PerC, we have a lot of people versed in Psychology,but within that, only a few are MBTI certified, however, why should that disqualify people who still know their stuff but don't have a degree? Why can't we learn things for fun? Why can't you have a pediatrician why just happens to be interested in podiatry? Also, a historian will probably get their degree in American History, but with emphasis on the Civil War, yet they'll have to take classes on Western Civ. Native American History...which to me was always anthropology in disguise, because you're learning about tribes of people, then there's revolutionary history, history of the Cold War. It will be all mixed together in one great stew. I suspect all disciplines are like that, including medicine.

@Brian1,
I didnt say, that @elvis2010 have to show his degree in Psychiatry or Clinical psychology directly to me. He could prove by showing his diplom for example to PerC administration, if he wants, and show by this, that he isnt breaking rules at least at this point. Many Psychiatrists and Psyhologists are facilitating mental health advice online, but not like ANONYMOUS. So consumers of their mental health advice could any time control, in which field exactly they are qualified (sure there would be in this case something like for example 2 yers working with ADDers in institution XY, degree in Psych. from XX university etc.)

BTW: In case, that Elvis2010 wouldnt declare nonsense, sure I wouldnt speak about something like this, because we are online: in this case I wouldnt be able to identify problem. For example in my country was operating like doctor (dentist) nurse, and it didnt leak out 4 YEARS, because she was performing well and her customers was satisfied!!!! She have no complaints ever. But this is not comparable with the case, if you just pop online and you see the promlem within MINUTES. Besides, sure the nurse have problem from this at the end.

I am not exactly most tolerant creature ever, speaking INCOMPETENT psychologising doctors without degree in field of psychology or psychiatry. After meeting such doctor, I have CONSEQUENCES FOR THE LIFE, which are in present stage of science IRREVERSIBLE. Might in future it would change, but for the present moment, Im at anti-epileptics and painkillers and I know nearly any seizure-prone and seizure-resistant rat by first name. Strongly hoping, that the rats would perform their best and at least one of them would get rid of condition, to give some hope.

The most embrassing of the situatuion is, that Im not originally epileptic, trouble is due to accident: 2 people have similar problem because of this accident and we both meet PSYCHOLOGISING IDIOT (not the same doctor, besides, they were 2). In case of accidents or infections I dont undestrand so-called psychosomatic medicine at all, because its really IDIOTIC.

And another embrassing thing: I helped myself. I was left in ¨high pains nearly 2 yers. Find where the problem is lasts me 15 MINUTES (Im biologically, not psychologically oriented), but persuade doctors to make me clinical trials took all other time. After clinical trials doctor said, that I was right, but, frankly, after near of 2 years of unsoportable pains, do you really believe you would care if doctor tells you "you were right"?:(((( To top it with the crown: I dont know if I would be able help myself if I have other kind of backround. I had knowledge about head area, because I was in past considering studying psychology: after checking details it doesnt move me towards psychology but towards Quack watch.

Many doctors, who doesnt acknowledge EVIDENCE BASED MEDICINE and are psychologising, are not only incompetent and use psyhologising to cover incompetence.

The really typical textbook case: The psyhologising doctor is mentally ill himself/herself, doesnt have degree in psychology or psychiatry (in my country they for example are having just 4-6 weeks training in psychology) and as a result they are saying for example parents of aspergers, that their kid is having asperger because is FAT, arechanging ADD with OCD etc. In survey, where doctors were evaluating themselves (not investigation!!!), 13% of them openly admited, that if they havent got clue, they prescribe anxiolitics as a PLACEBO. And this was, how they evaluate themselves, at least were honest.....
In case, that is investigated problem, which such doctor caused, too often appear, that doctor already had legal problems in the past. And didnt take lesson from that: guilty is everyone around, like too strict lawyers, consumers of healt service, who dont want accept their condition etc.

[Nessie]

You are right. I will correct my statements.

Psychology: Why do humans like petting animals so much? - Quora
"A Swedish scientist by the name of Kerstin Uvnäs-Moberg recently studied the effects of owner-dog interactions by taking blood samples from owners and their dogs before and during a petting session (her phrase, not mine). The samples taken beforehand didn't show anything, but samples taken 1 and 3 minutes after revealed increased oxytocin in both the owner and the dog."

Got that people? No more petting your dog. You might kill someone of a different race.

Happy now, Nessie?

Originally @elvis2010 (07-18-2011, estp-forum-doers/43933-religion-estp-5.html):
"There is no free lunch though with any hormone. You affect one thing at the expense of another. With oxytocin, it took a while to find something bad, but scientists finally did. The use of oxytocin actually promotes prejudice and violence:The

What is ironic about this is that I think prejudice and violence are probably the two areas people objected to the most with both the Nazis and religious groups. The wonder hormone that prevents cancer, osteoporosis, and diabetes actually makes people into violent bigots."



Elvis2010, to recapitulate it:
1. First you recomend Liquid trust with oxytocin
2. Second : Nessie is expressing doubt, because form of information provided from your part
3. You posted text mentioned above, Yes Elvie2010, its your text, this time you bothered to check information, so you posted this with referal of sourvey, where is expressed, that oxytocine isnt recomended for RECREATIONAL USE
4. You didnt return to link, where you recomended it, despite I asked you to, because you hoped, that this way it would escape attention.
5. So I did, and copy link you provided here.
6. you didnt like it, so you are trying to distract attention from your INCOHERENCE with making fun of that with your post about oxytocine and animals. But in above described situation, you are just making fun from yourself, despite not intentionally.

No wonder, that I make piss of that with parafrazing you. Reason? You are comparing uncomparable.
Chemicaly alter your feelings is one thing, and pet your dog of fall in love is other. Course I could find chemical similarities, but it doesnt mean much.

BTW: as a doctor, you are even not expected to promote something which is harmless, if it doesnt have qualities claimed. For example capsules, which content couldnt pass blood brain barrier in form in which they are sold and due to this people are buying just expensive placebo. That you tried liquid trust isnt argument: what about sugestibility? Furthermore, if you are uni-polar or bi-polar, you would be ruled out of any clinical trial to prove LT working, except the one, where they would be intentionally trying LT on various groups of ppl or LT/effect on bi-polars/uni-polars.

Conclusion is clear: stop publish uncensored information from possition of doctor and dont hope, that you avoid discovering incoherence just because you put it in other thread.

[Nessie]

You are right. I will correct my statements.

Psychology: Why do humans like petting animals so much? - Quora
"A Swedish scientist by the name of Kerstin Uvnäs-Moberg recently studied the effects of owner-dog interactions by taking blood samples from owners and their dogs before and during a petting session (her phrase, not mine). The samples taken beforehand didn't show anything, but samples taken 1 and 3 minutes after revealed increased oxytocin in both the owner and the dog."

Got that people? No more petting your dog. You might kill someone of a different race.

Happy now, Nessie?

Elvis2010, if you would like to find out, how it is more exactly with the topic, you could also contact author of the article, because he was researching topic.
YOU DELETED REFERAL, when you were quoting me (between sentences was All text at :....),


But the first sentence wasnt mine:
side effects. Researchers have found that Oxytocin has a dark side, and that it may actually foster feelings of prejudice, and perhaps even incite violence.

This is sentence from article YOU provided, so I would expect YOU know and that youll polemize with author of article or his sources. If not, it does make impression of manipulation.

[Mendi the ISFJ]

I dont know any ESTPs in person, but they have a stereotype as being quite manipulative. I think that ISFJs can enjoy logic (due to our love for proof) and sarcastic (as long as we know we arent hurting anyone's feelings) so it makes sense that 2 males would relate in this way.

[DJArendee]

I love ISFJ's, they're my favorite (sometimes ISFP's too, its hard for me to separate the two). Then again I'm some kind of EXTP hybrid thing.

[elvis2010]

Jesus, I am going to have to address this after all.

I am not exactly most tolerant creature ever, speaking INCOMPETENT psychologising doctors without degree in field of psychology or psychiatry. After meeting such doctor, I have CONSEQUENCES FOR THE LIFE, which are in present stage of science IRREVERSIBLE.

Am I that doctor, Nessie? So quit doing this F thing and blaming someone who is not fault for your condition. Do I have signed consent to treat anyone here that you know of? If I don't, then I can't do to someone else what was done to you.

If I go out and say "it is a great day for surfing", and I am a surfer and someone reads that and goes out, tries to surf, and breaks their neck and dies, am I responsible? It's an anonymous board with free advice. Everyone here knows that. It is nothing like what you went through.

For example in my country was operating like doctor (dentist) nurse, and it didnt leak out 4 YEARS, because she was performing well and her customers was satisfied!!!! She have no complaints ever.

So basically because no one has complained about me here, that doesn't matter. In your messed up brain, it is absolutely impossible for anyone to be helped by what I have said even by people who say they have been helped. They really don't understand how badly I am screwing them up. You and only you know how evil I am.

Don't you think a better use of your time would be helping people who actually ask for it then those who don't? Do you think that worrying about stuff I posted two years ago is the mark of someone who is sane?

Furthermore, if you are uni-polar or bi-polar

LOL. Where did you come up with this? Because I said that I have been manic and depressed in my life? And you think most people don't have periods of depression or mania in their lives? This is unbelievably offensive. You have no business making a statement like that.

Im at anti-epileptics and painkillers and I know nearly any seizure-prone and seizure-resistant rat by first name.

Then you are in no position to be judging anyone's competence least of all medical competence. Not by a long shot. Your concern about oxytocin is bird brained. As I said, oxytocin goes up by petting a dog. You don't know that this spray, which is available over the counter by the way, is any more potent than petting a dog, you just FEEL like it is. In my experience, it is less sexually potent than perfume phermones and has the anti-anxiety capacity of half of a beer.

What you feel is this huge issue with ADD/ADHD is completely semantic. If this is the best you have with regards to how much destruction I have caused, then I will take it thank you very much. Quit the cyberstalking Nessie, or I am reluctantly going to have let the moderators know about your abusive behavior.

I am not going to respond to any of your posts from now on and seeing as how you are so offended by my posts, I suggest that from now on you quit reading them. Good luck with getting well.

Let's get back to the thread topic now.

[The Martyr Expert]

J'adore les ESTPs.

[Wh1zkey]

I have an ISFJ friend. She is most interested in hearing about people's lives and she'll do anything to find out what she wants about a particular person. She's one of the nosiest people you'll ever meet. For an ISFJ, she's pretty gregarious around people she knows. One would mistake her to be an ESFJ if with her friends, but place her in a group of strangers then you have a Helen Keller except with sight and ears. I talk to her several days a week.. well more like tease her. A way to get a laugh is to tease her and get some ridiculous reactions from her, sometimes some stupid verbal comeback or a hard kick in the shins.. think we used to call such "dead legs" back in secondary school. She's a hardcore scheduler, always planning hangouts and such, making sure her friends do what they're supposed to do, keeping tabs on her friends' lives. She's an awesome host.. always greets guests including me with a smile and a treat. She gave me a whole bag of one of those round chocolates with chocolate cream inside surrounded by small pieces of almonds. It was so good. I remember finding the same brand at a store only to get disgusted at the price... you can buy 10 bars of Hershey's for less than a box of those chocolate balls.

By and large, ISFJs are a friendly folk in my book. My Se and their Si seem to sort of "click." Our preference to focus on the present helps us to become easier communicators than those with preferences in possibilities/future, despite my nearly equal preference in both.

INFJs however are like ISFJs on roids.. just saying. I've no idea why I brought INFJs into this post. I'm thinking it's due to the allnighter I'm doing right now for some massive exam in exactly 5 hours. Discrete mathematics...about to be raped..

As for dating? ... well, sure, why not? I can totally see myself dating an ISFJ, but my heart lies with the ENFP. Actually the mentioned-ISFJ told me she'd liked me for a few weeks until she discovered I was dating the ENFP. An ESTP guy I know is dating an ISFJ. It's actually recommended in PersonalityPage.com. ESTP + ISFJ/ISTJ = great relationship, according to them.

J'adore les ESTPs.

Et nous adorons les ISFJs. 3 painful years of French with that bitch back in high school really do pay off... at a personality forum.

[Nessie]

[QUOTE=elvis2010;2502114]Jesus, I am going to have to address this after all.

"It's an anonymous board with free advice. Everyone here knows that. "


"So basically because no one has complained about me here, that doesn't matter. In your messed up brain, it is absolutely impossible for anyone to be helped by what I have said even by people who say they have been helped. They really don't understand how badly I am screwing them up. You and only you know how evil I am.

Don't you think a better use of your time would be helping people who actually ask for it then those who don't? Do you think that worrying about stuff I posted two years ago is the mark of someone who is sane?"



"What you feel is this huge issue with ADD/ADHD is completely semantic. If this is the best you have with regards to how much destruction I have caused, then I will take it thank you very much. Quit the cyberstalking Nessie, or I am reluctantly going to have let the moderators know about your abusive behavior."




Elvis2010,
its INCREDIBLY ILLUSTRATIVE ,
that this your post appeared 5-24-2012 and mine reaction to your recomandation for sensory bi-polars and ADD INTJs that weed benefits them 5-23-2012. Troubles with school and life.

Its not sign of mental health to indicate, that other person isnt sane and speak cyberstalking, because of interest about the topic. I would soften your paranoia and tell you secret: if you are interested about topic, like ADHD, its enough to give to search for example ESTP ADHD and many posts appears. If you have some basic observation skills, you already could know, that from my part are here posts like brain scans etc., which havent anything in common with you or something that you posted!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think, that I wasnt asked for help, you are 100% mistaken. I have many ADD friends and cousin. You could guess twice, how we come to situation, when we were reading posts, like that ADDers doesnt belong to ESTP board (based on wrong assumption). My ADD friend, who first wanted to sign in, changed mean after reading that. I nearly kicked PC from table from anger, but it was late to close it.

And also I consulted issue weed/bi-polars, ADD INTJs with 3 mental health specialists. Not surprising, all 3 independently agreed, than this is pure nonsense. I also was asked to do something.One of them offered me contact to coleague, who is taking care about media. I dont think it would be necessary, because easiest way is to move trash to spam world and simply dont leave advice like this here. I told content (literally), but not that it is taken from PerC.

BTW: It would be really weird, if @Happy or other mods would actively promote weed for ppl with pre-morbidity.
Everything is possible, but in Europe, if they do, they could close bussiness directly.

I dont care what do you think about my evaluating competence. In links provided you have lots of contacts to people, who could explain you how it is. Like National Alliance on Mental Health etc.

And dont worry, Ill adress the rest.
And also return topic on ADHD, but not at this link.Who told you such stupidity, that this is all information I have?
Unlike you I follow genetic research. I just forgot this kind of information is ILLEGAL, because it could contradict what you are thinking.