[benfoldsfive dude]

Please don't be offended by the title. Anyways, I am doing a paper on The Crucible and I am interconnecting MBTI to some characters in The Crucible. Currently, I am talking about Abigail Williams, who I am convinced is an ESTJ. You may agree with my assumption or not, but I am wondering: How does an unhealthy ESTJ act/react to situations?



So, if you are an ESTJ, may you explain to me how you act in situations when stressed or in a bad situation? I would really appreciate this!

[MissFixit]

I'm an ISTP who was married to a very unhealthy ESTJ.

His need for control grew to the point where he was willing to abuse me and be incredibly heartless/cruel in order to get my submission. I think our relationship would have been great if he was healthy, since we could have reasoned discussions and we were always on the same "page" financially and otherwise...

But unfortunately he was selfish and cold hearted. His need to be involved with other people and be of service to them always came before me. When he was under stress at work he would lash out at me at home. I became a punching bag. Nothing I did was right, everything I said was wrong, and he communicated his disgust for me through the "silent treatment", sometimes physical threats, sometimes threats of abandonment. He had zero interest in me as a person, and was incapable of feeling empathy for others.

He was very responsible, so he made sure that me and the children always had what we needed materially, but he was cruel and unforgiving of our faults and mistakes. Eventually he drove me to the point where I had to take the children and leave him.

My grandmother is also an unhealthy ESTJ. She was violent and cruel to her 8 children and none of them will go near her to this day. The one thing that seems very very important to these unhealthy types is their need to be respected in the community, and their need to observe all reunions, family picnics, funerals, weddings, etc, even putting these things above the needs of the families. They are incapable of empathy/sympathy, and cannot take responsiblity for hurting others.

Just my experience. I wonder if this personality type is more susceptible to being controlling/violent than other types? I don't want to be mean or paint all ESTJs with the same brush of course. Don't mean to offend anyone I promise!!

[benfoldsfive dude]

Thank You for sharing and I hope that you and you're children are fine and I am sorry that you have/had to go through that.

[Tkae]

Personally, I'd argue her to be a very unhealthy SP of some kind.

But regardless of my opinion, I offer you: Benito Mussolini.

Or is he a healthy ESTJ?

Idk, I have difficulty telling the two apart

[benfoldsfive dude]

You think that Abigail is maybe a ESTP instead of an ESTJ? Because I have been looking on other forums on the Internet and they say that Abigail is ESTP. Do you concur, or differ?

[Tkae]

You think that Abigail is maybe a ESTP instead of an ESTJ? Because I have been looking on other forums on the Internet and they say that Abigail is ESTP. Do you concur, or differ?

Just off the top of my head I don't know which kind of SP she is, but I think she's probably an SP more than an SJ, just because of how SJ tend to be known for following rules, and Abigail so openly defies rules in traditional SP style.

I would think that Revered Parris might be a bit more of an SJ.

[Perseus]

In the Perseus System, he is a TS Tyrant. I wish I knew how to deal with these people. I think training is necessary. I just keep out of their way. There are plenty of female examples. There is also a FS Crazy Horse. I want to get out of their zone and get help from the professionals. I think the TS Tyrant acts from his own agenda. The FS Crazy requires support from his cronies, or he may be a Ass for his Boss who could well be a very dangerous ESTP type of Tyrant (worse than ESTP because their Perception is higher, or they could even be a ENTP?).

[Perseus]

Personally, I'd argue her to be a very unhealthy SP of some kind.

But regardless of my opinion, I offer you: Benito Mussolini.

Or is he a healthy ESTJ?

Idk, I have difficulty telling the two apart

Mussolini said he got the trains to run on time. It wasn't true. They could not even get the clocks to work; so when bandits stole the train, nobody knew it was missing.

[Aerorobyn]

I'm an ISTP, and friends with an unhealthy ESTJ.

A LOT of what Missfixit said sounds just like my ESTJ friend. She is married with children, but sometimes she doesn't act like it. She has no problem treating her family or friends with disrespect. She is very selfish and cold-hearted as well. An example of this: She claimed to hate her father and ignore him for so many years, just because he wouldn't give her any money; the day he decided to give her some money, she all the sudden loved him again. When he decided to discontinue giving her anymore money, she went back to hating him and loving him.

In the first few years of our friendship, she would get jealous if I had any other friends besides her. She could have as many as she wanted...but if she knew I was talking to, or hanging out with, another friend, she would try to manipulate me. She would tell me things like, "If you continue hanging out with ____ I will never talk to you again"; I would continue hanging out with my other friends, and after a few days this Unhealthy ESTJ would begin talking again like nothing ever happened.

I could say many other things, but I think you get the picture. In the long-run, I would say Unhealthy ESTJ's are not the best of friends (or, life-partners for that matter). It's like they've got some sort of mental disorder or something.

[WickedQueen]

I read in a forum somewhere that a person whose a psychologist said that most prisoners in jails are ESTJs. Dunno if this help, though.

I'm not sure if I'm a healthy ESTJ, but these are some things that my friends, family, and colleagues said about me at my worst.

1. Cruel, mean, cold-hearted (almost everyone said this, even the people who doesn't know me very well)
2. Scary, evil
3. Apathetic
4. Extreme
5. Critical
6. VERY stubborn and arrogant
7. Over-protective
8. Disrespect others in the most insulting way
9. Controlling and pushing
10. Bullying
11. Impatience
12. Confronting in very frontal & extreme way

Ah, okay. That's a lot.