[MrsSmith]

LOL! If you only knew.

That ESTJ is the one that taught your father the beauty of the quote: "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission."

And that other ESTJ - the one you work for? She's the one that keeps telling SWMBO to bend the rules and do what you think is best until you are caught, at which point you plead stupidity and ask rhetorically, "What was I thinking?"



ESTJs can bend rules with the best of 'em, when they believe the rule to have little merit.

:)

<3

I dont work for an ESTJ...

[niss]

I dont work for an ESTJ...

M.E.Y. is without a doubt an ESTJ.

[Marlowe]

We're all just a bunch of black-hearted bastards, if you ask me. ;)

[MissWendy]

We're all just a bunch of black-hearted bastards, if you ask me. ;)

I couldnt agree more. Among all types I found ESTJ to be one of the most challenging.
Even their "not-so bad intention" irritates me so bad.

[DiamondDays]

My twin sisters, significantly older than me, are most probably ESTJ.

They :

Are abrasive, assertive and aggresive.
They never do nothing wrong and they can't accept losing an argument when their logical reasoning has been totally trashed, instead they resort to screaming fits.
They also can't seem to accept not getting their way. This especially pronounced in their relationship with my mother, my father they despise because "he's to stubborn and difficult". Hah.

But they are also loving spouses, mothers, daughters and sisters.
They're smart, funny and independent.
They're loyal to a fault and they are extremely caring. Actually most of the anger they feel seem to stem from caring too much about people around them.
They truly believe they know what's best for people and it makes them sick seeing people who won't take care of themselves like they should.

I can't help admiring and loving my ESTJ sisters.

[Hycocritical truth teller]

We're all just a bunch of black-hearted bastards, if you ask me. ;)

Voldemorts of MBTI

[justry]

I have an adopted little sister who I'm pretty sure is an ESTJ. Our family being prominently IXXP. Me and my dad INTP. ...its been an experience. She's 6 years old now and she is the most stubborn, charismatic, gutsy, rude, fun, troublesome and silly child I've ever known. She thinks she knows everything, she begins to teach you nonsensically and if I had to describe her in a few words they'd be. Presumptuous, manipulative, intelligent, and loving. I'm just hoping we can adjust our temperament enough to structure her in a healthy way.

[mirrorghost]

I had a boss who fit the ESTJ profile spot on. I was terrified of her. She was very intelligent, but she had not people skills, was a HUGE micromanager, and would also gossip and get people she did not like fired. She rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. It is sad to hear so many have had such painful experiences with this personality type.

I am sure that there are some admirable ESTJs out there, I just have not met any yet...it seems the bad apples just ruin the whole barrel :(

currently having the exact same experience, minus the gossip part. she has learned to try to act more personable and caring, but i can tell it's an act.

[Lunar Eclipse]

***OP, the only one I disagree with on your list is "direct and truthful when communicating with others". While they are often truthful and easy to read, their communication style can be indirect and they often imply things instead of stating them explicitly. For example, they may phrase a statement in the form of a question, and expect the listener to take it as a statement. The first instance that comes to mind is when my little brother eats with his fingers, my ESTJ father will say "DO YOU HAVE A FORK!?" instead of "use your fork". Bad example, but it is one of many.

I am having a first relationship with an ESTJ. We have the hardest time communicting. I try to read into what he is saying because in my experience his sentence says a whole lot of shit. That I don'taddress because I don't want to go there. I know I'mnot making sense. We have only been dating about 6 weeks. Hopefully, more will be revealed.

So far, I enjoy the time we spend together although I have tons of unanswered questions. Whch is why I'm on the ESTJ forum, a universe I thought I would never want to go too. Lol.

Lunar.

[INTPguy]

My Phd supervisor is definitely an ESTJ. My stay in his lab has just been horrible for me. He cannot let me express myself in any way. HIS way his the correct one. Long list of some stupids things to do like "ordering new shelf for the lab", "organising some stupid non-scientific meeting". When I try to discuss about scientific issues or present some draft to him, he just looks to the form, never to the bottom. "some accent is missing there, the new typographic rule states that you should put accent on capital letter" (This is a french laboratory), your picture in page X is not well centered.
from time to time he just suddently yells at me in a very agressive way saying that I do nothing, that I never obey his order, that he just doesn't know how to act with me, that I don't respect anything etc..."
To my opinion he is a uncompetent scientist, just gathering arround him collaborators and partnerships that know how to do the job. He just do all the administrative stuff all the time, writing nice report to obtain grants etc... He his like a project manager but absolutely not a researcher. the odd thing is that being like this, he just ruined my career as a researcher. He is absolutely unable to understand that people could think or behave in another way. The funny thing is that he is german and I am jewish, and that he he had several antisemitic remarks. For me an ESTJ is just like a german officer. Nice guy socially, doing all what the system expect him to do, protecting his familiy, adopting sofisticated and very conformistic behavior in public. But if something doesn't belongs to his system, he think it must be exterminated.