[Wh1zkey]

Philosophy exists in every sentient being present within nature, regardless of any objections proposed by any rational agent (actually, an irrational rational agent, if that made any sense). You ESFPs are undoubtedly no exception, and here I lay out a discussion regarding ethics initialized by couple scenarios that involve normative ethics, by which I mean, what would you, as an ESFP, do?

1) Let's assume that you are back at college. Your grandmother gives you $200 to pay for textbooks. Instead, you spend it on something else that is trivial in relative to the textbooks. Do you tell your grandmother the truth, or do you instead tell her you bought textbooks to keep her happy?

2) Let's assume that you have drunk a few shots of liquor and have cheated on your SO. This is the first time you have ever cheated, and you are afraid of revealing it because your SO may enter a state of unfortunate disarray, sadness, anger, or worse, yet you still feel guilty (or do you?). Do you still tell your SO the truth, or keep quiet?



3) Let's assume that you are at work as a judge. There's a man on trial, and you have to make the decision to either convict him to death or free him. You know that he is innocent, so it would seem wrong to kill an innocent man. However, there is a nearly uncontrollable riot outside, threatening to fight if the man isn't convicted to death. If you don't convict the man to death, then the riot will attack and the riot police will be forced to retaliate; you're sure at least 10 people will die. What do you do?

Thanks for answering.

[Fat Bozo]

1) Find some way to change the subject as often as possible. If asked directly, I wouldn't lie about it, though.

I'll skip 2 because I don't drink and I hate this "SO" stuff.

3) I dunno what country the judge gets to decide between death and complete innocence, but if I had any leeway as a judge I would try for a lesser sentence. How do I know he's innocent?

[Mouse222]

1) Let's assume that you are back at college. Your grandmother gives you $200 to pay for textbooks. Instead, you spend it on something else that is trivial in relative to the textbooks. Do you tell your grandmother the truth, or do you instead tell her you bought textbooks to keep her happy?
Tell her, my Grandma always said, "Honesty, is the best policy."
2) Let's assume that you have drunk a few shots of liquor and have cheated on your SO. This is the first time you have ever cheated, and you are afraid of revealing it because your SO may enter a state of unfortunate disarray, sadness, anger, or worse, yet you still feel guilty (or do you?). Do you still tell your SO the truth, or keep quiet?
Tell the truth, refer to above answer.
3) Let's assume that you are at work as a judge. There's a man on trial, and you have to make the decision to either convict him to death or free him. You know that he is innocent, so it would seem wrong to kill an innocent man. However, there is a nearly uncontrollable riot outside, threatening to fight if the man isn't convicted to death. If you don't convict the man to death, then the riot will attack and the riot police will be forced to retaliate; you're sure at least 10 people will die. What do you do?
Free him, Justice is ultimate, and if those people are willing to blindly fall to rage/anger, than they will face the consequences. But I would never give up on Justice.

[walking tourist]

Philosophy exists in every sentient being present within nature, regardless of any objections proposed by any rational agent (actually, an irrational rational agent, if that made any sense). You ESFPs are undoubtedly no exception, and here I lay out a discussion regarding ethics initialized by couple scenarios that involve normative ethics, by which I mean, what would you, as an ESFP, do?

1) Let's assume that you are back at college. Your grandmother gives you $200 to pay for textbooks. Instead, you spend it on something else that is trivial in relative to the textbooks. Do you tell your grandmother the truth, or do you instead tell her you bought textbooks to keep her happy?

Tell the truth, of course. There's no point in lying, especially if I did something that stupid.

2) Let's assume that you have drunk a few shots of liquor and have cheated on your SO. This is the first time you have ever cheated, and you are afraid of revealing it because your SO may enter a state of unfortunate disarray, sadness, anger, or worse, yet you still feel guilty (or do you?). Do you still tell your SO the truth, or keep quiet?

Although it is much less likely that I would drink and cheat on my true love (I'm still waiting for one, sigh) than waste my grandmother's money, I would still tell the truth. Maybe I should ply him with some nice wine and get him feeling happy and romantic???



3) Let's assume that you are at work as a judge. There's a man on trial, and you have to make the decision to either convict him to death or free him. You know that he is innocent, so it would seem wrong to kill an innocent man. However, there is a nearly uncontrollable riot outside, threatening to fight if the man isn't convicted to death. If you don't convict the man to death, then the riot will attack and the riot police will be forced to retaliate; you're sure at least 10 people will die. What do you do?

Um. Yuck. The man would have to be acquitted and then immediately placed into some sort of protective program. Also, the riot??? What's that about? Shouldn't that have been broken up already? Are the police useless? These folks should be sent home or given tickets or something. This scenario is not very realistic.

Thanks for answering.[/QUOTE]

[Marac]

Philosophy exists in every sentient being present within nature, regardless of any objections proposed by any rational agent (actually, an irrational rational agent, if that made any sense). You ESFPs are undoubtedly no exception, and here I lay out a discussion regarding ethics initialized by couple scenarios that involve normative ethics, by which I mean, what would you, as an ESFP, do?

1) Let's assume that you are back at college. Your grandmother gives you $200 to pay for textbooks. Instead, you spend it on something else that is trivial in relative to the textbooks. Do you tell your grandmother the truth, or do you instead tell her you bought textbooks to keep her happy?

2) Let's assume that you have drunk a few shots of liquor and have cheated on your SO. This is the first time you have ever cheated, and you are afraid of revealing it because your SO may enter a state of unfortunate disarray, sadness, anger, or worse, yet you still feel guilty (or do you?). Do you still tell your SO the truth, or keep quiet?

3) Let's assume that you are at work as a judge. There's a man on trial, and you have to make the decision to either convict him to death or free him. You know that he is innocent, so it would seem wrong to kill an innocent man. However, there is a nearly uncontrollable riot outside, threatening to fight if the man isn't convicted to death. If you don't convict the man to death, then the riot will attack and the riot police will be forced to retaliate; you're sure at least 10 people will die. What do you do?

Thanks for answering.

1. Apologize and tell the truth.

2. Tell the truth.

3. That is a stupid question. You can't know the future, nor that 10 people will at least die in the following riot. What one however can know, is that convicting an innocent man to death is wrong. So, free the innocent man and face the consequences.

[Dilldough]

I saw this thread earlier on mobile and had troubles replying and referring to your post. Now I'm on a computer, time to tear this up! I'm always amazed by the INTJ intellect, and at the same time I'm always trying to find ways to compete against it (other than education, LOL). I feel that this thread has hidden motives, as it may help you in your own ways to draw biased opinions on other personalities.

Philosophy exists in every sentient being present within nature, regardless of any objections proposed by any rational agent (actually, an irrational rational agent, if that made any sense).

Your spelling and grammar is very sophisicated, if that made any sense. I feel inferiority... intellectually wise.

The questions you presented remind me of this INTJ friend of mine. She always has these 'what would you do in this situation' type of scenarios and challenge my intellect. No matter how I answered, she would already have an answer ready to counter my thoughts. Thus, no point in answering in the first place. However, I will proceed with answering your questions, including my thoughts, and what I would do in each case.

1) Let's assume that you are back at college. Your grandmother gives you $200 to pay for textbooks. Instead, you spend it on something else that is trivial in relative to the textbooks. Do you tell your grandmother the truth, or do you instead tell her you bought textbooks to keep her happy?

Textbooks are that cheap in college? My grandmother wouldn't give me money to buy textbooks, and I wouldn't spend my money on anything trivial (hate that shit). I wouldn't take her money, and I can't get away with guilt lying to a family member, unless it's over something stupid.

2) Let's assume that you have drunk a few shots of liquor and have cheated on your SO. This is the first time you have ever cheated, and you are afraid of revealing it because your SO may enter a state of unfortunate disarray, sadness, anger, or worse, yet you still feel guilty (or do you?). Do you still tell your SO the truth, or keep quiet?

I'm not afraid to admit, I didn't know SO meant significant other until I googled it.
This question... why? It hurts to even answer. I would try my best from cheating in the first place but if it HAD to happen I would tell her the truth and feel so bad you would never understand :)

3) Let's assume that you are at work as a judge. There's a man on trial, and you have to make the decision to either convict him to death or free him. You know that he is innocent, so it would seem wrong to kill an innocent man. However, there is a nearly uncontrollable riot outside, threatening to fight if the man isn't convicted to death. If you don't convict the man to death, then the riot will attack and the riot police will be forced to retaliate; you're sure at least 10 people will die. What do you do?

Is this scenario even possible? These assumptions are starting to drive me crazy and I'm glad it's the last question. I would give shitless what's going on outside and give the man what he deserves. Basically you're asking, would you give up a life in exchange for 10? Well, there's endless possibilities of how the riot began, why the man is on trial, etc.

So, these questions, imo, are nonsense. Why don't you ask more in general questions to get answers that truly judge ethics?

[Vanderlyle]

1) I would tell her I'd bought the textbooks. There's no reason for her to worry about the mess I'd got myself into and I'd hate for her to think that I can't be trusted with money(even if, apparently, I can't be).

2)
If they would find out anyway I would try to tell them as soon as an appropriate opportunity presented itself. I'd try to do it soon after because then they would be hearing my side of the story first (I was drunk, I feel awful for doing it, so on and so forth).
If I don't know how they would react to it then I would spend a few days trying to figure that out through relevant conversations. If it seems that the negatives of not telling them outweigh the negatives of telling then I would tell them.
If it would seriously distress them and they were unlikely to find out then I would keep it to myself. If it was a one-time thing they should be so worried about it anyway.

3) Well I would love to know why the riot is there in the first place. Do they believe that the man is guilty? Or do they know that he is innocent and believe that he still should be convicted (perhaps to save the truly guilty person or for the greater good, or whatever other reasons).
If the case is the latter then I wouldn't convict the man to death. If the ten people that die are part of the riot then they placed themselves in that situation and were protesting for an innocent man to be convicted for a crime they did not commit. Even if the man on trial deserves to be killed, the reasons for that aren't related to the trial at hand. If the ten people killed here were bystanders I would feel guilty, but would still stand by my decision to release the man as the death of those ten people were due to the brutality of the riot police and the riot.
If the riot wrongly believed that the person was guilty then I would still not convict him. Though I might see if I could postpone the trial if there was the possibility of swaying the public's opinion. If not, then I would still sleep more soundly if I released him than knowing that I had been the direct reason an innocent man was sentenced to death.

I typed up me responses before looking at the other replys and I now see that mine are a... quite bit longer than the others. I hope they're not too long-winded. Edit: Definitely long-winded and disorganized. I've tried to fix that a little.

If not to show ethics, these can maybe give innsight into how people problem-solve or why they make certain decisions. Or maybe that's just because I like hypothetical situations and seeing how different people would react to them.

[sparkles]

Philosophy exists in every sentient being present within nature, regardless of any objections proposed by any rational agent (actually, an irrational rational agent, if that made any sense). You ESFPs are undoubtedly no exception, and here I lay out a discussion regarding ethics initialized by couple scenarios that involve normative ethics, by which I mean, what would you, as an ESFP, do?

1) Let's assume that you are back at college. Your grandmother gives you $200 to pay for textbooks. Instead, you spend it on something else that is trivial in relative to the textbooks. Do you tell your grandmother the truth, or do you instead tell her you bought textbooks to keep her happy?

Tell the truth. I hate to lie, and it's easier to face conflict or disappointment than to lie.

2) Let's assume that you have drunk a few shots of liquor and have cheated on your SO. This is the first time you have ever cheated, and you are afraid of revealing it because your SO may enter a state of unfortunate disarray, sadness, anger, or worse, yet you still feel guilty (or do you?). Do you still tell your SO the truth, or keep quiet?

Truth. If the tables were turned I would want the truth. Can't tolerate dishonesty.

3) Let's assume that you are at work as a judge. There's a man on trial, and you have to make the decision to either convict him to death or free him. You know that he is innocent, so it would seem wrong to kill an innocent man. However, there is a nearly uncontrollable riot outside, threatening to fight if the man isn't convicted to death. If you don't convict the man to death, then the riot will attack and the riot police will be forced to retaliate; you're sure at least 10 people will die. What do you do?

Thanks for answering.

I'm not good at thinking I wuold bend my morals to save more lives. I believe in truth. I can't say how I'd handle this one really but I think I would stand with the innocence of the person on trial.